Start John Beck Madness Thread

[Mattyk]

Originally Posted by rypper11

Like the 4th down TD pass against the Cardinals?
The knock on Grossman is that he plays ugly. But, he wins. Teammates like him. He is the opposite of Jeff George. Beautiful passer. As**ole who loses and whose teammates hate him.
QB is not a position you want to try to ruin confidence. Pull Grossman and then Beck looks over his shoulder at every incompletion or pick. So you pull him. Then Grossman is happy to have the job back but knows if he isn't perfect (no matter the team's record), he's on the bench again. So he plays to not look bad.
Where does it end? 9-7 and fans bitching that the team has no direction.

Agreed 100%.

No need to start f'ing with the team's head at 3-1.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by rypper11

Like the 4th down TD pass against the Cardinals?
The knock on Grossman is that he plays ugly. But, he wins. Teammates like him. He is the opposite of Jeff George. Beautiful passer. As**ole who loses and whose teammates hate him.
QB is not a position you want to try to ruin confidence. Pull Grossman and then Beck looks over his shoulder at every incompletion or pick. So you pull him. Then Grossman is happy to have the job back but knows if he isn't perfect (no matter the team's record), he's on the bench again. So he plays to not look bad.
Where does it end? 9-7 and fans bitching that the team has no direction.

This is why I'm not in favor of a qb change.

[The Goat]

There is a legitimate argument to be made for starting Beck, depending on what direction this offense is heading.

The positives w/ Rex are his short memory and willingness to sling the ball. If we're trying to become a big play offense it's worth sticking w/ him awhile longer. In game one seeing how Fred Davis lit up the open field and Moss, Armstrong and Gaffney looked to be in sync w/ Rex I thought we could definitely be a big play team. So yeah Rex throws a pick each game...hell Brees throws a pick just about every game, but then he leads the offense to the endzone and "erases" the INT.

After four games tho I would say we don't look like much of the big play offense, which means minimizing mistakes is absolutely critical. If this is really who we are and Beck can minimize mistakes then he's the better option at this point.

I'm def not fusbol smart enough to know the answer. Hopefully Mike and Kyle are

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by rypper11

Where does it end? 9-7 and fans bitching that the team has no direction.

imo 9-7 would be they absolute best, lets smoke some crack case scenario for this team. i honestly think our W-L record this year would be the same with either beck or rex starting.

our D isnt going to play an absolute awful O line the 0-3 rams had heading into this game, our qb put up a putrid 49 qb rating with 149 yds passing on 31 attempts, our opponents arent going to commit 10 plus penalties . .. we barely beat an 0-3 rams who had a bad day for an 0-3 team . . . 7 sacks will be our season record, we should have feasted on this team and instead we survived. 3-1 is awesome, but that doesnt mean our team is performing awesome. 9-7 for this team is a pipe dream even sittin at 3-1 unless some serious things improve.

[Mattyk]

Our schedule sets up pretty nice. I normally don't get into looking too far ahead but I'd be surprised if we only go 6-6 the rest of the way.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I still can't figure out what Beck has done that makes so many people think he is going to make this team so much better

By that logic we should have kept McNabb and never replaced him with Rex in the first place.

or that he is a better option than Rex. Is it his career 56% completion percentage, his 1-3 TD to INT ratio, or maybe it is his whopping 111 yards passing per game played. Is it his career 56% completion percentage, his 1-3 TD to INT ratio, or maybe it is his whopping 111 yards passing per game played.

You mean the numbers he put up 5 years ago as a rookie on a terrible Miami team?

I know, I know...it is because he runs the bootleg better...Yep, better get him in there against Philly next game. CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

You're dismissing the arguments relevant to the 2011 Redskins and their current offensive system.

[That Guy]

if you don't like rex's mistakes, why would you want a 30 year old rookie that's going to make even more mistakes?

makes no sense.

[SFREDSKIN]

Redskins’ win over Rams should have been easy, but Rex Grossman makes it harder - The Washington Post

[zeesson]

Do yall remember when the Bears were having this same debate. All Lovie Smith would EVER say is "we are X and 2 with Rex as our starter" He completely ignored the fact that they didn't win games "because" of Rex, they won games "in spite" of Rex. He will do this to us all year long. You can't be a "game manager" if you randomly turn the ball over for no reason at all, and don't learn from your mistakes from week to week. I was on the Beck side of things from the beginning so I'm a little biased, but I have to say when Rex ran for that first down today, all I could think about was how he was holding the ball in one hand like he was pulling a shopping cart. The same exact thing that cost us a fumble last week. How can he not cover the damn ball?!? How can he still be making the same mistakes from a week ago?

[polywog]

Originally Posted by zeesson

Do yall remember when the Bears were having this same debate. All Lovie Smith would EVER say is "we are X and 2 with Rex as our starter" He completely ignored the fact that they didn't win games "because" of Rex, they won games "in spite" of Rex. He will do this to us all year long. You can't be a "game manager" if you randomly turn the ball over for no reason at all, and don't learn from your mistakes from week to week. I was on the Beck side of things from the beginning so I'm a little biased, but I have to say when Rex ran for that first down today, all I could think about was how he was holding the ball in one hand like he was pulling a shopping cart. The same exact thing that cost us a fumble last week. How can he not cover the damn ball?!? How can he still be making the same mistakes from a week ago?

I really like this post, noob.

I'm hoping that, once again, Mike see's something that I can't.

Right now though, Rex looks like he is going downhill, i.e. returning to his old ways.

[GoSkins!]

I wonder if the Cowboys fans are having this same discussion after their QB actually cost them their game?

[#56fanatic]

switching the QB isn't something we should do at all. Yes we are 3-1 for starters, two of those wins directly related to Rex's play. Putting the dagger in the Giants when we normally would have gone 3 and out and gave up a game tying score. the 4th down beautiful throw to Moss, which a QB has to have the stones to even attempt that throw trailing late in the 4th quarter. Rex had a bad outing, every QB has a bad outing. The 4th quarter against the Cowboys was a little rough, but our offense as a whole had zero rhythm. Everyone points to the picks, but of the last 4 or 5, yesterdays to the LB was the only one I can remember that was just something he shouldn't have thrown. I can count 2 or 3 that went off the receivers hands, Moss fell down on one, and Armstrong had his arm held down when the one went off his hand. So lets not jump all over Rex. I think as a whole he has done quite well. Lets not forget the Giants, Cowboys have had pretty good defenses as well as Arizona's heavy pressure D.

There are really good things that came out of yesterdays game, great pass protection, and the re-emergence of Ryan Torain. It just looked like a totally different running game with him in the there.

[zeesson]

I see your point 56. But I can't help the fact that Grossman makes me nervous.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

I wonder if the Cowboys fans are having this same discussion after their QB actually cost them their game?

Yeah, last week it was Romo is god, Romo the warrior, Romo the savior blah blah blah...I actually thought I was going to throw up with all the talk before the SKins game monday night... Lets see that is 2 games that he has single handily lost for the Cowboys.. Wonder if the Savior, God, Warrior crap is still being discussed this morning. Or do they have the "lets start Kitna thread!"

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

For once I agree with Alvin Walton.

I don't understand why people are suprised at Grossman's style of play so far. In the words of Jamie Dukes, he is what he is. You're gonna get some good, you're gonna get some bad. Right now Grossman has gotten us to 3-1. As long as we win games I don't see why he needs to be benched.

This. Start Beck if we lose 3 to 4 games in a row. If not, ride it out.

Although Grossman has had his issues he has been starting for 4 weeks. Beck would be relatively fresh. I feel we would be taking a step backwards in the middle of the season to get him up to speed, bye week or not.