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Old 10-14-2011, 10:45 AM   #121
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Nice clip 44. They can call all the players meetings they want. Pressure Vick and he WILL make mistakes and we WILL get TO's.
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Old 10-14-2011, 10:53 AM   #122
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Can't wait for this game to get here! It's been said, but the biggest thing is not to allow 60-80 yd TD's. If they get a long pass or run, that's ok actually, just make them earn the TD in the trenches. They can be stopped there. Anyone know the breakdown of their scores (curious really) between over 30yd plays, and <15 yd plays. I am guessing a very high percentage of their TD's come from quick strike plays, if so, we just can't let the endzone be there final destination.

edit: looked up the stats myself, I was kinda off, but still think it's valid:

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<10yds 7 (most on screen passes, that I think our D is designed to stop, again here our front 7 can be very effective)

<20 3 ( the 10 to 19yd line scares me because all the threats are available and a seam would be exploitable - course maybe Vicks Ribs get roughed up)

>20yds 3, plus one defensive fumble return for 46yds.

But the FG's they've made kinda side with the point I was thinking:

<25yds (or inside the 8) 3 - I don't see their offense punching it in. Even the short TDs often were 2yd passes, and we can defense those

<35yds(9 - 18 yd line) 5 - or 8 total redzone possessions that ended in FG's compared to 10 TD's. I don't know how many possessions ended with no points

>35yd, 1 FG. that's surprising.

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Old 10-14-2011, 11:00 AM   #123
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What I do like with the match up, is Philly has a ton of pressure on them. This is a must win for them early. AND this type of must win has job implications on the coaching staff. I really believe for the first time in Reid's career that the calls for his firing along with his Defense cordinator (Juan) are very valid. Leadership on that team is a mess too. Vick has looked bad on camera lately and too many new guys on that defense.
Right, this is why we NEED. POINTS. EARLY. I see the "us against the world" mentality as a potential positive for the Eagles, especially if they come out sharp. It becomes "us vs. us" if the Redskins force the same mistakes and expose the same weaknesses that the Eagles team/media/fans have been stewing about for a week.
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Old 10-14-2011, 11:01 AM   #124
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Leadership on that team is a mess too. Vick has looked bad on camera lately and too many new guys on that defense.
I cant remember whom on ESPN I heard talk about this last year, I think it was John Clayton, who said how Vick was acting now was not as telling as how he acted once he was a super star again. I think Vick is acting entitled and arrogant and I think that is who he actually is. I was all for giving Vick a second chance and letting the dog fighting thing go, but he is starting to act like a spoiled rich kid again.
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Old 10-14-2011, 11:06 AM   #125
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Old 10-14-2011, 11:10 AM   #126
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Right, this is why we NEED. POINTS. EARLY. I see the "us against the world" mentality as a potential positive for the Eagles, especially if they come out sharp. It becomes "us vs. us" if the Redskins force the same mistakes and expose the same weaknesses that the Eagles team/media/fans have been stewing about for a week.
Well I expect Philly to come out razor sharp on offense. I expect them to be agressive, we need to match that aggressiveness with our defense. And this year we can.

I know this might sound crazy, but I would prefer us to run early. I would like to see the playcall run run run until we cross the 50, and then open up the passing game. Rex needs to protect the ball better and giving Philly a short field to work with whether its special teams or us turning the ball over will lose us the game. I would like a Helu package in the redzone...the guy is too fast not to be getting the ball there.
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Old 10-14-2011, 11:11 AM   #127
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My problem though is still with the bad Oline play, questionable playcalling, and average QB play...Eagles Offense still managed 489 yards total offense vs Bills, and the week before against a pretty solid 49ers defense put up 513 total yards. I think Philly's issues on offense are much easier to fix than their defense.

We are by no means a team who can survive a shootout with Philly, we are not built like that.
We need to control the ball on offense and keep the Iggles off the field. Time of possesion, we are averaging something like 33 mins per game, thats helping us win. Run the ball.
I completely agree. This is not an give-me win by any stretch. The Eagles will turn it around at some point. Just hope it is not against us.
The addition of our new FS Atogwe and the return to health of Dirty 30 at SS instead of FS (this time), will make a big difference in not giving up the long plays we gave them last year. Buchanon is back to add solid depth and the improved play of Barnes and Westbrook will help. We control Vick (passing /scrambling) and the passing game and we should win.
We have to be careful with our blitzing. Don't want to see a repeat of the ill advised blitzing of the Dallas game.
The Eagles defensive front 7 is weak and undisciplined against the run. Thier DE's especially Babin are having all kinds of problem containing and setting the edge. This bodes well for the stretch run plays and play action.
Yertle the Turtle Grossman will have to unload the ball quickly. Hopefully he spent the bye week working on his footwork and his set up speed. He needs to find another gear in speeding up his set up to throw, especially in the play action. It is painfully slow. The Eagles can rush the passer and create Grossman's most consistent move, the turnover.
Grossman needs to protect the ball. Please

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Old 10-14-2011, 11:42 AM   #128
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I cant remember whom on ESPN I heard talk about this last year, I think it was John Clayton, who said how Vick was acting now was not as telling as how he acted once he was a super star again. I think Vick is acting entitled and arrogant and I think that is who he actually is. I was all for giving Vick a second chance and letting the dog fighting thing go, but he is starting to act like a spoiled rich kid again.
Well i really wouldnt expect anything different. Majority act entitled and arrogant.

I know alotta people say vick vick vick as a problem with the eagles...granted he hasnt been great, pretty average. But the blame to me would be the Oline and the entire defense.
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Old 10-14-2011, 12:02 PM   #129
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This is a game that will tell us a lot about the 2011 Washington Redskins.

There is no question that the Skins are a better team this year than they were last year -- or the two years prior to last year. They have more talent; they are more focused; they are more of a team. The question that remains about the 2011 Redskins is:
Just how good are they?
One thing that good teams do in the NFL is this:
When they face either an inferior opponent or an opponent that is having internal troubles, a good NFL team will stomp on the throat of that kind of opponent and never let them be "in the game".
I am not looking for the Skins to win 59-28 to avenge last year. But they need to win this game decisively and to control it from the opening kickoff if they are going to be seen as something other than merely "improved over last year".
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Old 10-14-2011, 12:11 PM   #130
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I know alotta people say vick vick vick as a problem with the eagles...granted he hasnt been great, pretty average. But the blame to me would be the Oline and the entire defense.
Agreed. Not a fan of Vick for many, many reasons, but he is not the reason the Eagles are failing. He's not helping matters with some untimely INT's and fumbles. Throw in the pouting and he is doing his fair share to the total fail. In many ways, Vick is the same player he has always been - some amazing feats of athleticism, some great performanes followed by very average (or worse) performances with some poor decision making thrown in for good measure.

At the same time, their O-Line sucks, their LB's suck and their DC appears to be in over his head. I am hoping that the wheels of the car are coming off and that they are not just circling the wagons to fight it out through the end of the season.

I read somewhere that the Eagles last couple opponents were not known for getting pressure and the Eagles O-Line was stilled over matched. Here's hoping that Kerrakpo simply overwhelm them.
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Old 10-14-2011, 12:19 PM   #131
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Agreed. Not a fan of Vick for many, many reasons, but he is not the reason the Eagles are failing. He's not helping matters with some untimely INT's and fumbles. Throw in the pouting and he is doing his fair share to the total fail. In many ways, Vick is the same player he has always been - some amazing feats of athleticism, some great performanes followed by very average (or worse) performances with some poor decision making thrown in for good measure.

At the same time, their O-Line sucks, their LB's suck and their DC appears to be in over his head.
I am hoping that the wheels of the car are coming off and that they are not just circling the wagons to fight it out through the end of the season.

I read somewhere that the Eagles last couple opponents were not known for getting pressure and the Eagles O-Line was stilled over matched. Here's hoping that Kerrakpo simply overwhelm them.
Hiring Juan Castillo as a DC was a head-scratcher. The last time the guy had any experience coaching defense was at the high school level. Literally. And suddenly he's running the D of a team that has Super Bowl aspirations heading into the season? WTF? I don't get that at all.
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Old 10-14-2011, 12:30 PM   #132
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Hiring Juan Castillo as a DC was a head-scratcher. The last time the guy had any experience coaching defense was at the high school level. Literally. And suddenly he's running the D of a team that has Super Bowl aspirations heading into the season? WTF? I don't get that at all.
The loss of JJ hit that organization hard. JJ was the man, Dick Lebeau-like
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Old 10-14-2011, 12:59 PM   #133
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Hightower and Cooley are questionable. Looks like Torain might be starting afterall.
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Good Roy Helu read. Redskins&rsquo; Roy Helu is a different sort of running back - The Washington Post
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ok, if you said "some bad luck" that would make sense, but to put all of it on "bad luck" is way off. It's not "bad luck" that has their DEs & OLBs have given up crucial plays by losing outside containment. It's not "bad luck" that Vick has been hit hard many times & it wasn't "bad luck" when Vick threw a ball away at the end of the half last week as the clock ran out & they didn't get a fg attempt.
Your right,I agree with you
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