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Old 10-17-2011, 02:01 PM   #61
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Before I get misunderstood, I'm for playing Beck this week.

But, in context, I'm not sure about statements like that. Certainly Beck can't be worse than Wrecks against the Eagles. But he definitely can be worse than Wrecks against the Giants.
Really? Only an idiot would make such an absolute statement! I would humbly suggest that it is quite possible that Beck could be worse than "Eagles' game" Rexy. It is unlikely, but, given this will be Beck's first start in many years and that he has failed before, I don't think anything can be ruled out.

I hope he won't and don't believe he will - I am just suggesting that an abysmally bad John Beck performance is not out of the realm of the reasonably possible.
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Old 10-17-2011, 02:30 PM   #62
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Really? Only an idiot would make such an absolute statement! I would humbly suggest that it is quite possible that Beck could be worse than "Eagles' game" Rexy. It is unlikely, but, given this will be Beck's first start in many years and that he has failed before, I don't think anything can be ruled out.

I hope he won't and don't believe he will - I am just suggesting that an abysmally bad John Beck performance is not out of the realm of the reasonably possible.
This sadly is true.
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Old 10-17-2011, 02:36 PM   #63
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So what if Beck starts Sunday and throws 3 ints's and has a piss poor game? Then what? Might as well start him and see what ya got, cause everyone in the world of pro football knows what you got in Rexy, im not bashin Rex he just is what he is at qb, a band aid.
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Old 10-17-2011, 02:39 PM   #64
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So what if Beck starts Sunday and throws 3 ints's and gets has a piss poor game? Then what? Might as well start him and see what ya got, cause everyone in the world of pro football knows what you got in Rexy, im not bashin Rex he just is what he is at qb, a band aid.
Then we bring on Rockytop Crompton! Woot woot!
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So what if Beck starts Sunday and throws 3 ints's and gets has a piss poor game? Then what? Might as well start him and see what ya got, cause everyone in the world of pro football knows what you got in Rexy, im not bashin Rex he just is what he is at qb, a band aid.
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3-2 ... I don't think this team deserves to be smacked down so hard after that loss .. not after they stood strong and fought to get back in that game .. when D-Hall made that pic @ the 20. That should have been 6 pts, instead Rex (who i've supported since game 1) made a bonehead play. At that point in would have been 20-13 with some serious momentum, who knows. But it didn't happen and Rex got worse by the minute and it showed BADLY. Beck provides just enough wiggle out of the pocket and he looks hungry, i truly thought Rex was going to have a solid SEASON but I have changed my tune quickly. Beck is going to be #1 unless he gets hurt. We have dangerous Panthers team next week then big match up with Bills in Toronto. 4-3 or possible 5-2 we are in a whole different mindset. 3-4 would be donski for the Skins'. I sure hope not,this DEFENSE is too good to let that happen. Shannys will get running game back on track, I have faith and I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet. Lots of football left. HTTR

Beck as soon as he came in had a look of "i'm not coming back out again unless i'm carted off" .. Rex had a look on sidelines like "f*** me"
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So what if Beck starts Sunday and throws 3 ints's and has a piss poor game? Then what? Might as well start him and see what ya got, cause everyone in the world of pro football knows what you got in Rexy, im not bashin Rex he just is what he is at qb, a band aid.
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Old 10-17-2011, 03:25 PM   #68
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QB battle between Clemens and Chappell!
Id take Dave Chappell, that would spice up the O a bit, but when keeping it real goes wrong you know what happens......
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my sign reflects exactly how I felt about this game ..
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Beck also can move around and with the injuries to the line his mobility is going to be crucial.

I'd also like to see a new play caller.

Again... the helmet to helmet hits are going to happen. It can't be avioded. That call on Orakpo should've gotten that ref suspended. Not only was it a god awful call but it was a momentum killer and had an effect on the outcome of the game.
Orakpo went helmet to helmet, so at least there was something substancial to flag. The problem was that the call of "roughing the passer" is incredibly generous there. Vick wasn't stepping into a throw to complete a pass, he was doing the only thing he could do to not be on his one yard line on the next play.

By the same token, Ronnie Brown was technically a "passer" on his goal line fumble against the 49ers, but he wasn't "roughed", he was tackled. If the passer is standing in the pocket and is defenseless, then give him protection on helmet to helmet. Once he flushes from the pocket, now the process of tackling gets more complicated, and I don't think you can flag helmet to helmet anymore at that point.

Brutal call.
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Old 10-17-2011, 03:44 PM   #71
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Really? Only an idiot would make such an absolute statement! I would humbly suggest that it is quite possible that Beck could be worse than "Eagles' game" Rexy. It is unlikely, but, given this will be Beck's first start in many years and that he has failed before, I don't think anything can be ruled out.

I hope he won't and don't believe he will - I am just suggesting that an abysmally bad John Beck performance is not out of the realm of the reasonably possible.
Outside of 5 games as a rookie late in the 2007 season in Miami and the TB preseason game, where did he fail? Cam Cameron was going to start him in 2008, but Cameron was fired. When CC signed on as the Ravens OC, he brought Beck in to back up Flacco.

Lots of folks were ready to throw away Rivers and Rodgers and giving those two guys a few seasons of sitting didn't hurt. Now let's not make the quantum leap to me saying Beck = Rivers/Rodgers, but the rest of the season is certainly time to fnd out if he can be more than a career backup.

Tripp touched on this in a post last night, what I think we're seeing here is Daddy and Jr. in a disagreement over how the O goes forward. My gut is Rex was Ks's guy and MS gave him (KS) the rope to hang himself. KS is hung, now MS will take more control and put more run/PA with his guy (Beck). I'm certainly speaking with optimism, same as the "we control the LoS and win" optimism I posted pre-game yesterday....we saw how that worked out.
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Old 10-17-2011, 03:45 PM   #72
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Rex Grossman had a terrible game yesterday - - he deserved to be pulled.

The defense as a whole was "less than fully satisfactory" yesterday.

Here is something that bothered the Hell out of me in the 4th quarter...

The Skins had the ball with less than 9 minutes to play down 2 TDs. Last year - - and during training camp this year - - we all got to listen to lectures from the coaching staff about the importance of "offensive tempo".

OK, go watch yesterday's late 4th quarter and point out to me two plays where the "offensive tempo" was anything more than sleepwalking. Smoot lays down Smack; I am calling bulls[p]it on Mike Shanahan's lectures on "offensive tempo".
Memo to Coach Shanahan: If tempo means anything at all, you will be demoting a few guys from the offensive unit this week and delivering a few 10-EEE suppositories to several other guys.
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Old 10-17-2011, 03:51 PM   #73
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i thought about tempo as well. i think the answer mike gave was that with beck playing and he not taking any snaps with the first team O, they just couldnt run a faster tempo huddle and offense . . .

should have had beck taking some snaps with the first team O during the bye.
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Mcintosh was "Bad Rocky" yesterday. He took bad angles and had his feet in cement. Ive seen this numerous times with Rocky, where he will be in position or in his gap and then when the ball shows up he waits to tackle instead of being aggressive, McCoy just runs around him after making a move. WTF
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Just replace McIntosh with Balboa and chicken with McCoy.
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Orakpo went helmet to helmet, so at least there was something substancial to flag. The problem was that the call of "roughing the passer" is incredibly generous there. Vick wasn't stepping into a throw to complete a pass, he was doing the only thing he could do to not be on his one yard line on the next play.

By the same token, Ronnie Brown was technically a "passer" on his goal line fumble against the 49ers, but he wasn't "roughed", he was tackled. If the passer is standing in the pocket and is defenseless, then give him protection on helmet to helmet. Once he flushes from the pocket, now the process of tackling gets more complicated, and I don't think you can flag helmet to helmet anymore at that point.

Brutal call.
Yes, brutal call. What really got me was that Vick intentionally grounded. So even if Rak got flagged for his hit, it still should have been offsetting penalties.

It should have been a safety but instead Philly got a free first down. Ugh.
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