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Old 10-20-2011, 12:00 PM   #151
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It is a move that had to happen given the numbers. My issue is this :

1) we are 3-2
2) Heading on the road for a winable game, which in my opinion would have been the best place for Rex to play (any where but home)
3) I know he has 8 or 9 picks, but how many are actually all on him?? Two last week were on Fred Davis, I can count a few more that either went off receivers hands, Santana fell on one, Armstrong was held on another. Unfortunately these things go against a QB's numbers and it doesn't look good. If the whole picture is disected, its more bad luck than horrible throws.
4) We lost 2 of our starting lineman
5) what happened to the running game?? Which hurt the ability to throw effectively when the D isn't planning on getting run on.


I hope Beck comes out and does a hell of job. And if this was reverse I'd be saying the same thing about Beck so dont think I am standing up for Rex. I am standing up for the QB position, because it takes way too much credit when they win, and way too much heat when we lose.
1-Awesome place to be. I wonder to got us there?
2-True, against a bad defense would have made him look good again.
3-100%. Grossman/Beck it doesn't matter. I think the results will be the same. To many dropped balls or tipped balls by receivers.
4-Which in most cases would cause a team to lose anyway.
5-The Eagles did exactly what they needed to do... pick one aspect of the game and stop it. Considering we had a great run game they chose to stop that forcing our QB to throw the ball which is where we are not playing well anyway. Until the passing game gets fixed we are back to squar one being one dimentional.
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Old 10-20-2011, 12:04 PM   #152
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Bad Luck? He must be the unluckiest QB in the NFL since 2005
Why? because his statistics show he has thrown 2 INT's a game? So had Brady, EManning, Brees, etc. etc. etc. I guess they are having a bad luck also.

Remember there are 11 men on the field not just Grossman, and running around like a chicken with their heads cut off trying to buy precious seconds will not change the fact our receivers are not catching the balls when it drops into their hands or they fail to go after the ball.
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Old 10-20-2011, 12:06 PM   #153
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BOLD PREDICTION... John Beck brings us to the playoffs, becomes and remains our #1 starting QB.
Spoken like a true Beck fan. Hope he proves you right because above all I'm a Redskin fan first player fan second.

But be prepared for an "I told you so" when he doesn't do much better if at all.
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Old 10-20-2011, 12:15 PM   #154
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Spoken like a true Beck fan. Hope he proves you right because above all I'm a Redskin fan first player fan second.

But be prepared for an "I told you so" when he doesn't do much better if at all.
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Old 10-20-2011, 12:26 PM   #155
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Spoken like a true Beck fan. Hope he proves you right because above all I'm a Redskin fan first player fan second.

But be prepared for an "I told you so" when he doesn't do much better if at all.
I think he will be better for these reasons:

1. He is more mobile. He can extend the play by pulling it down and running, as he did against the Eagles for a long run to extend the drive.

2. Beck doesn't say, "F&@# it, I'm throwing it deep into double coverage, or right into the middle linebacker I didn't see drop into coverage again." He can throw it deep but doesn't do it with the reckless abandonment that Rex is so well known for.

3. He is a game manager. He will make the throws he needs to make and let the run game and defense win the game as I think this is how our team is set up. (Note, injuries to the o-line do have a big impact on this and I would have loved to see how things would have been different this week with all our starting linemen and receivers in the game.)
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Old 10-20-2011, 01:03 PM   #156
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Yea, getting excited about Beck is like having the dumpy chick you knew from school move in with you. She may be good for a few organisms but you know you'll never get engaged to her.
I saw that and was gonna say something but it's nice to see it's already been covered by everyone else.
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I saw that and was gonna say something but it's nice to see it's already been covered by everyone else.
One more never hurts. You can always beat a dead horse. It is an organism after all....

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Old 10-20-2011, 02:12 PM   #158
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Sure recievers can cause interceptions, but F. Davis was being a bit generous w/Rex when he said two picks were on him. He was being supportive. Yes he could've broken up the first one, but the coverage was so obviously there. Rex has gotten away w/a lot of bad throws, there were 2 dropped by Iggles last week. The Arizona game in particular he had several bad throws that could've easily been picks.

The int. #s & wr drops will typically even out. Some passes are complete despite a bad pass, while some are dropped or picked off that might've been good decisions. I wouldn't put many of REx's mistakes on the recievers, he's made plenty of them by himself.
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I think he will be better for these reasons:

1. He is more mobile. He can extend the play by pulling it down and running, as he did against the Eagles for a long run to extend the drive.

2. Beck doesn't say, "F&@# it, I'm throwing it deep into double coverage, or right into the middle linebacker I didn't see drop into coverage again." He can throw it deep but doesn't do it with the reckless abandonment that Rex is so well known for.

3. He is a game manager. He will make the throws he needs to make and let the run game and defense win the game as I think this is how our team is set up. (Note, injuries to the o-line do have a big impact on this and I would have loved to see how things would have been different this week with all our starting linemen and receivers in the game.)
1- Just to point out the first 4 games there really was not much of a need for Grossman to run around because protection was great. So there was no need to extend drives.

2- I'll give you this one. Grossman is more risky with the ball.

3- He didn't manage the 12 min. of the Eagles game very well. He scored so I give him props but otherwise I think he used too much clock huddling up like McNabb would do.
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1- Just to point out the first 4 games there really was not much of a need for Grossman to run around because protection was great. So there was no need to extend drives.

2- I'll give you this one. Grossman is more risky with the ball.

3- He didn't manage the 12 min. of the Eagles game very well. He scored so I give him props but otherwise I think he used too much clock huddling up like McNabb would do.
1. I know he didn't NEED to run around but I am saying that Beck can if he has to, Rex can not. That is a big plus for Beck IMO.

2. Thank you.

3. He also hasn't played since the preseason. I think that he could have hurried up a bit more, but it also helps if you've been in the flow of the game not holding a clip board for 4 weeks. I think that will come with 1st team reps in practice this week.

I will continue until you see things my way and I can say Thank you for all three points....
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Hard to run a hurry up or 2 minute drill when you may not have been practicing that specific stuff very much. I'm sure that will improve as he gets more snaps in practice.
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yeah, and that's a coaching decision, it's not like he just decides they're going to run the 2 minute O.
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Hard to run a hurry up or 2 minute drill when you may not have been practicing that specific stuff very much. I'm sure that will improve as he gets more snaps in practice.
Totally agree with you, but you might as well blame the coaching staff as well. I have yet to see a decent 2 min. drill out of McNabb, Grossman, or Beck. Which is my main point. I don't have a problem with Grossman being benched as much as I have a problem with people believing all our worries are resolved because now "Beck" is in.

Yes Beck scrambled for a couple 1st downs and a TD. Awesome. I hope he keeps it up. But honestly I just don't see much that will be changing because even though it's easy to blame Rex for his bad throws one could easily point and ask was it really the QB or the WR not running the route right? or the WR tipping the ball up for grabs? or just running the route waiting for the ball to land in their laps instead of going after the ball when the CB is going after the ball.
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I think time management has been a huge problem with this team. Not only the last two years with Shanny, but with Zorn, Gibbs, etc. etc.
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Now what do I expect to see this weekend? I think our run game will be about as good and bad as it has been in the first 4 games. The Panthers DL is bad and their run stopping ability is supposed to be low. However our OL does not have its starters which I'm hoping doesn't balance out.

The team needs to use Becks mobile ability to the teams advantage, roll him out. Use a lot of play action pass. Becks should be able to hit the WR's on the deep pass better as long as the WR can get seperation and provided the WR actually catches the ball.
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