John Beck Era Begins

SBXVII · 10-20-2011, 03:26 PM

Now what do I expect to see this weekend? I think our run game will be about as good and bad as it has been in the first 4 games. The Panthers DL is bad and their run stopping ability is supposed to be low. However our OL does not have its starters which I'm hoping doesn't balance out.

The team needs to use Becks mobile ability to the teams advantage, roll him out. Use a lot of play action pass. Becks should be able to hit the WR's on the deep pass better as long as the WR can get seperation and provided the WR actually catches the ball.

Mattyk · 10-20-2011, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Totally agree with you, but you might as well blame the coaching staff as well. I have yet to see a decent 2 min. drill out of McNabb, Grossman, or Beck. Which is my main point. I don't have a problem with Grossman being benched as much as I have a problem with people believing all our worries are resolved because now "Beck" is in.

Yes Beck scrambled for a couple 1st downs and a TD. Awesome. I hope he keeps it up. But honestly I just don't see much that will be changing because even though it's easy to blame Rex for his bad throws one could easily point and ask was it really the QB or the WR not running the route right? or the WR tipping the ball up for grabs? or just running the route waiting for the ball to land in their laps instead of going after the ball when the CB is going after the ball.

Or sometimes it's just the QB making bad decisions. Rex has a well documented history of that. Hopefully Beck will be smarter with the ball.

Gtothearry · 10-20-2011, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

A QB does that when the media wants to hang him out to dry, the coaching staff benches him, and the 2nd stringer makes a few comments like "we can't be throwing interceptions every game, we need to protect the ball more." That was a dig at Grossman by Beck. So Grossman came out and the media questioned him about his interceptions.... all he said is he thinks he has done fine and that the interceptions we have seen in the 1st four games he could prove were not his fault through video.

and this is what my whole arguement is ..... I don't think all the INT's are Rex's fault either and for those chanting for Beck to start each game I think you will be let down when the very same WR's fail to do their job and he throws INT's also. Fans are acting like Beck is the savior and will solve this riddle by being able to buy more time but if the WR's cant' catch a cold then the results will be the same.

We keep looking at this as 4-5 games for Grossman. The kid has a history of turning the ball over. So, the problem stretches for years not weeks. He hasn't corrected his TO issues in years so it's not going to be fixed.

Do, we know Beck has a TO problem? He has started 4 games. I think if anyone needs a little time to prove himself it's Beck. After all we are comparing 4 games to years of work with Grossman.

Beck may play badly but can it really be much worse then Grossman? As everyone else mentions we need to make a move. May work and may not work but we need to see what we have and make a decision for next year.

DCtoAZ · 10-20-2011, 04:56 PM

Look I was all for giving Grossman the nod to start the season out & see what happens. What happened was a glimpse of good Rex then more BAD REX started to pop up it's ugly head. He's not the worst QB in the league & if Rich Bartel was backing up Grossman then this wouldn't be happening. But it's not, it's John Beck the guy we all thought was going to start back in the spring. He deserves a shot & you know what, this aint no 1-4 team that sucks. The Skins' defense hasn't given up more than 21pts all year, with all those turnovers by Rex that has to point to 2 losses. Even last week, when D-Hall picks off Young & we are in the 20. If Rex doesn't throw up that jump ball with 3 DB's there that game would have had a different outcome. Make no mistake this DEFENSE is something special, they are fun to watch. They are balls to the wall and making plays. Beck will add some spark, buy some much needed time in the pocket and "manage" the game. Get back to pounding the rock and let's do this. Get this shit back on track and let Beck get his shot. Also one request I have to make, let Hankerson get some action ?? Austin too .. I was just starting to dig Gaffney but he's grown old on me in the last few weeks. As far as Cooley is concerned, I love him but Davis is creeping up towards a top 5 TE in this league. He is the shit. HTTR

4-2 after this week will sure look and feel good.

hooskins · 10-20-2011, 05:41 PM

I don't know why so much stock is put into Beck. We really should expect the worst and be happy if we get lucky. Grossman makes a ton of mistakes but he has had enough talent to start in the league. Beck, should I remind you, has been a career backup. You can go on and on about how he is unproven, but he is unproven for a reason. Beck can go out and have great game on Sunday but that doesn't mean he won't go out and suck the week after. Both QBs aren't good and nothing about that is new.

(I so hope he is the next coming of Kurt Warner and my post gets quoted and scorned LOL. But it ain't happening folks!)

pg86 · 10-20-2011, 05:42 PM

Guys before we start Talking Kellen Moore in here lets stay focused on Our current starter John Beck.....For all we know we might not need a big time draft Speaking Kellen Moore though I've watched him since he took over at Boise....He looks like a pro QB he made Tidus Young look like Heisman material actually he made himself look like Heisman material....

..Keep in mind though our 30 year old QB was number 4 on the Heisman watch list at one point. Id say get your popcorn ready this is either gonna stink real bad.....or look really good

JoeRedskin · 10-20-2011, 05:46 PM

Just a reminder as I catch-up on this thread: (1) Neither Beck nor Grossman is the answer; (2) Both are, at best, back-ups.

Grossman has proven that both these statements are true as to him.. Beck gets his chance to disprove their applicability to him. Hopefully, he will do so but, ultimately, we will only know after he plays a couple games.

That is all. Please continue arguing about who should start.

JDESKIN · 10-20-2011, 06:22 PM

I hate the eagles more than any other team in the league. Even the cowpukes. But i have to say after MS pulled Grossman and put Beck in i saw a glimmer of hope. And i felt a little better about loosing to those @$$ birds. I realy feel good about this O John boy. Maybe i am just a homer(well this is for sure) but I feel better about Beck than i have about alot of the QBs that have passed through here... Let the Beck Effect start now.

Meks · 10-20-2011, 06:22 PM

I don't care who starts... this offense prolly hasn't had big play touchdowns since 2005 smh

The Goat · 10-20-2011, 07:33 PM

I too am becoming a Homer for Beck. It would be a great story!!!!

SmootSmack · 10-20-2011, 08:57 PM

Since before he joined us, I have been a Kyle Shanahan fan. So whichever QB makes his offense looks good, is fine by me.

warriorzpath · 10-20-2011, 09:23 PM

The real problem with Grossman is- he thinks he played well in all the games prior to the eagles game. Let's just hope Beck isn't as delusional. It isn't that Grossman played terrible, I just think if it wasn't for the rest of the team performing well- Grossmans performance wasn't good enough to win the game- with the exception of the giants game.

warriorzpath · 10-20-2011, 09:29 PM

Grossman just puts the team in bad positions too often with his mistakes. And he doesn't make enough good plays to balance his performance.

mooby · 10-20-2011, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by warriorzpath

The real problem with Grossman is- he thinks he played well in all the games prior to the eagles game. Let's just hope Beck isn't as delusional. It isn't that Grossman played terrible, I just think if it wasn't for the rest of the team performing well- Grossmans performance wasn't good enough to win the game- with the exception of the giants game.

Mmm. I agree with this. He hasn't had a mistake free game since the Giants game. And he doesn't acknowledge that he needs to work on his game. He doesn't acknowledge that throwing into triple coverage will usually result in an interception. It just sounds like he's comfortable with where he is as a qb, which is unacceptable.

Dirtbag59 · 10-20-2011, 10:22 PM

Grossman played well against the Giants, and had a great comeback against Arizona. He was respectable against Dallas but that game ending fumble was painful. However his poor performance against a Rams team we should have blown out was the first blatant red flag I saw from him this year. After the Eagles game it was plain as day.

Steadily been playing worse with each passing game. Seriously if you rank his performances it matches our schedule exactly.

1. New York
2. Arizona
3. Dallas
4. St. Louis
5. Philly

This team is looking like it has a 2008-2009 Minnesota Viking level supporting cast around two journeymen QB.

10-20-2011, 03:26 PM	#166
SBXVII Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,498	Re: John Beck Era Begins Now what do I expect to see this weekend? I think our run game will be about as good and bad as it has been in the first 4 games. The Panthers DL is bad and their run stopping ability is supposed to be low. However our OL does not have its starters which I'm hoping doesn't balance out. The team needs to use Becks mobile ability to the teams advantage, roll him out. Use a lot of play action pass. Becks should be able to hit the WR's on the deep pass better as long as the WR can get seperation and provided the WR actually catches the ball.

10-20-2011, 04:56 PM	#169
DCtoAZ Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Age: 32 Posts: 615	Re: John Beck Era Begins Look I was all for giving Grossman the nod to start the season out & see what happens. What happened was a glimpse of good Rex then more BAD REX started to pop up it's ugly head. He's not the worst QB in the league & if Rich Bartel was backing up Grossman then this wouldn't be happening. But it's not, it's John Beck the guy we all thought was going to start back in the spring. He deserves a shot & you know what, this aint no 1-4 team that sucks. The Skins' defense hasn't given up more than 21pts all year, with all those turnovers by Rex that has to point to 2 losses. Even last week, when D-Hall picks off Young & we are in the 20. If Rex doesn't throw up that jump ball with 3 DB's there that game would have had a different outcome. Make no mistake this DEFENSE is something special, they are fun to watch. They are balls to the wall and making plays. Beck will add some spark, buy some much needed time in the pocket and "manage" the game. Get back to pounding the rock and let's do this. Get this shit back on track and let Beck get his shot. Also one request I have to make, let Hankerson get some action ?? Austin too .. I was just starting to dig Gaffney but he's grown old on me in the last few weeks. As far as Cooley is concerned, I love him but Davis is creeping up towards a top 5 TE in this league. He is the shit. HTTR 4-2 after this week will sure look and feel good. __________________ "F*CK THE DALLAS JUMBOTRON" NFC EAST CHAMPS RG3 will be back & #12 can run the show until hes ready.We are young w depth. 23,59,89 will all be back.Alfred Morris aka Diesel Hybrid ! @DCtoAZ81 ...2013 NFC CHAMPS

10-20-2011, 05:41 PM	#170
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 25 Posts: 8,557	Re: John Beck Era Begins I don't know why so much stock is put into Beck. We really should expect the worst and be happy if we get lucky. Grossman makes a ton of mistakes but he has had enough talent to start in the league. Beck, should I remind you, has been a career backup. You can go on and on about how he is unproven, but he is unproven for a reason. Beck can go out and have great game on Sunday but that doesn't mean he won't go out and suck the week after. Both QBs aren't good and nothing about that is new. (I so hope he is the next coming of Kurt Warner and my post gets quoted and scorned LOL. But it ain't happening folks!) __________________ Vacancy

10-20-2011, 05:42 PM	#171
pg86 No new threads for you Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,959	Re: John Beck Era Begins Guys before we start Talking Kellen Moore in here lets stay focused on Our current starter John Beck.....For all we know we might not need a big time draft Speaking Kellen Moore though I've watched him since he took over at Boise....He looks like a pro QB he made Tidus Young look like Heisman material actually he made himself look like Heisman material.... ..Keep in mind though our 30 year old QB was number 4 on the Heisman watch list at one point. Id say get your popcorn ready this is either gonna stink real bad.....or look really good

10-20-2011, 05:46 PM	#172
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 50 Posts: 7,144	Re: John Beck Era Begins Just a reminder as I catch-up on this thread: (1) Neither Beck nor Grossman is the answer; (2) Both are, at best, back-ups. Grossman has proven that both these statements are true as to him.. Beck gets his chance to disprove their applicability to him. Hopefully, he will do so but, ultimately, we will only know after he plays a couple games. That is all. Please continue arguing about who should start. __________________ My Little Pony: Friendship is magic? or ... a repressive matriarchal society where individuals' roles are defined by their immutable physical characteristics and governance is reserved for those who demonstrate the genetic purity of the pony master race?

10-20-2011, 06:22 PM	#173
JDESKIN Camp Scrub Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 27	Re: John Beck Era Begins I hate the eagles more than any other team in the league. Even the cowpukes. But i have to say after MS pulled Grossman and put Beck in i saw a glimmer of hope. And i felt a little better about loosing to those @$$ birds. I realy feel good about this O John boy. Maybe i am just a homer(well this is for sure) but I feel better about Beck than i have about alot of the QBs that have passed through here... Let the Beck Effect start now.

10-20-2011, 06:22 PM	#174
Meks The Starter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Jersey Age: 27 Posts: 1,744	Re: John Beck Era Begins I don't care who starts... this offense prolly hasn't had big play touchdowns since 2005 smh __________________ NFL officiating is BY FAR the worst in proffessional sports. Except no substitutions... worse or not!! R.I.P #21SEAN TAYLOR

10-20-2011, 07:33 PM	#175
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,020	Re: John Beck Era Begins I too am becoming a Homer for Beck. It would be a great story!!!! __________________ Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes he eats you.

10-20-2011, 08:57 PM	#176
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,098	Re: John Beck Era Begins Since before he joined us, I have been a Kyle Shanahan fan. So whichever QB makes his offense looks good, is fine by me. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-20-2011, 09:23 PM	#177
warriorzpath The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,394	Re: John Beck Era Begins The real problem with Grossman is- he thinks he played well in all the games prior to the eagles game. Let's just hope Beck isn't as delusional. It isn't that Grossman played terrible, I just think if it wasn't for the rest of the team performing well- Grossmans performance wasn't good enough to win the game- with the exception of the giants game.

10-20-2011, 09:29 PM	#178
warriorzpath The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,394	Re: John Beck Era Begins Grossman just puts the team in bad positions too often with his mistakes. And he doesn't make enough good plays to balance his performance.

10-20-2011, 10:22 PM	#180
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 27 Posts: 13,954	Re: John Beck Era Begins Grossman played well against the Giants, and had a great comeback against Arizona. He was respectable against Dallas but that game ending fumble was painful. However his poor performance against a Rams team we should have blown out was the first blatant red flag I saw from him this year. After the Eagles game it was plain as day. Steadily been playing worse with each passing game. Seriously if you rank his performances it matches our schedule exactly. 1. New York 2. Arizona 3. Dallas 4. St. Louis 5. Philly This team is looking like it has a 2008-2009 Minnesota Viking level supporting cast around two journeymen QB. __________________ Flacco is 1337 Fanclub President

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