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Old 10-20-2011, 11:32 PM   #181
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Agree with just about everything but the defense is special part.Defense has played good,very good AT TIMES,but a "special" defense doesnt give up 192 yards rushing and over 200 yards passing.Plus letting the eagles run the ball down our throat in the last 2 minutes when we had to stop them does not a special defense make
Our run defense has never been very good. And considering how little TOP we had in the 1st half, the defense had to have been gassed. I'm not saying that's an excuse for such poor play but just something to consider.
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Old 10-21-2011, 07:01 AM   #182
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I'm hearing that Grossman lost his starting job more beacause of the fact that he could not admit responsibility for his mistakes and turn-overs, and how he kept saying that all of his performances were good prior to the eagles game.

What i've observed of Grossman is that truly he is so close to be great it's maddening, yet he can't admit times where he just made the wrong decision. Also he always has an explanation for each interception, implying that each interception this year was caused by unforseen circumstances.

All jokes aside though, other than the eagles game where he threw four POOR interceptions, i really believe some of them weren't his fault. (tipped passes, blown routes, etc...)

Either way I think we will see Grossman again if this move to Beck doesn't work and I hope that Rex is humbled and ready to lead this team again. He already has the locker room, now he just needs to be a leader mentally.

Coach seemed to imply that Rex would eventually lose his job in the NFL if he could not admit to wrong-doing and show a desire to change his style on the field. He also said he hopes both Rex and Beck are on this team "For a long time" so he obviously has faith in them...
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Old 10-21-2011, 07:45 AM   #183
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I'm hearing that Grossman lost his starting job more beacause of the fact that he could not admit responsibility for his mistakes and turn-overs, and how he kept saying that all of his performances were good prior to the eagles game.

What i've observed of Grossman is that truly he is so close to be great it's maddening, yet he can't admit times where he just made the wrong decision. Also he always has an explanation for each interception, implying that each interception this year was caused by unforseen circumstances.

All jokes aside though, other than the eagles game where he threw four POOR interceptions, i really believe some of them weren't his fault. (tipped passes, blown routes, etc...)

Either way I think we will see Grossman again if this move to Beck doesn't work and I hope that Rex is humbled and ready to lead this team again. He already has the locker room, now he just needs to be a leader mentally.

Coach seemed to imply that Rex would eventually lose his job in the NFL if he could not admit to wrong-doing and show a desire to change his style on the field. He also said he hopes both Rex and Beck are on this team "For a long time" so he obviously has faith in them...

I agree with most of what you said, however two of the picks against the Eagles were on Fred Davis. Especially the one in the Redzone where he just stopped instead of crossing the saftey's face.

As far as them being on the team for a while, one of the two may be here next year, but i doubt both will. We will draft a QB and one will be let go (Rex is my guess, he's a FA)
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Old 10-21-2011, 07:51 AM   #184
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Since before he joined us, I have been a Kyle Shanahan fan. So whichever QB makes his offense looks good, is fine by me.
Kyle has certainly been a tragic figure
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Old 10-21-2011, 09:18 AM   #185
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The real problem with Grossman is- he thinks he played well in all the games prior to the eagles game. Let's just hope Beck isn't as delusional. It isn't that Grossman played terrible, I just think if it wasn't for the rest of the team performing well- Grossmans performance wasn't good enough to win the game- with the exception of the giants game.
This article by SJ echoes your sentiment. Grossman's inability to own up to his own deficiencies is more an indictment of his individual character than his lack of production on the field.

Rex Grossman’s biggest mistake: Failure to recognize his own - The Washington Post
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Old 10-21-2011, 09:30 AM   #186
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I feel like people take one of two stances on this situation... Either Grossman sucks and Beck is going to be the answer. Or Grossman sucks and Beck sucks. Unless you are Johnny5dickey. I contend it is somewhere in between.

Grossman CAN make plays and can run the offense, but his propensity for throwing timely interceptions and making bad decisions that he ultimately won't admit to is his downfall, repeatedly, his whole career.

Beck hasn't blown anyone away with his body of work and people are skeptical he can do anything different here. What he does have going for him is he is more mobile than Rex. He is not as well known as Rex for making poor decisions and throwing into coverage when it's not there. He is a game manager. He most likely won't put us in a hard place by giving the game away with interceptions.

For these simple reasons alone I don't think he will light up the world but will be an effective manager of the offense and let the running game and defense win games. He is obviously not the long term solution for this team and will we in the very near future be drafting a quarterback. But given the cards that have been dealt to us this year he is the stronger likelihood to win us the pot.

Now what that pot might be is up for interpretation. An 8-8 record. A 10-6 record. A playoff spot. A playoff win. A Super Bowl. (lol) Remains to be seen. I just think he will be better than Rex because less negatives equal more positive.
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Old 10-21-2011, 09:34 AM   #187
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^ Nice calming post, feel like you should be a councilor of some sort!
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Old 10-21-2011, 11:52 AM   #188
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I don't think Rex sucks at all. I like him quite a bit. And that article is right - he is almost a very good QB. He was awesome in the game against the Giants, even with his turnover, and yeah, his comeback against he Cards was great.

But he is unequivocally prone to derping, and at the most inopportune times, and has an ass-headed way of not accepting responsibility for derping. Two of the INTs were on Davis but the other two were ALL on him. The INTs and the lost fumble against the Cowtards were ALL on him. He talks about his mistakes the same way he did in Chi-town - and unfortunately, we have a very good defense that doesn't always play a full four quarters of football so we can't expect it to keep us out of jams HE puts us in the way his old Bears D could.

If he didn't look exactly as he looked in Superbowl XLI and numerous times that season as he did derping the ball on the last drive against Dallas, or derping the ball the entire game against a horrible Rams D-line, or derping the ball against a vulnerable and beatable Iggles D racking up an astounding 4 INTs and making us look like the Keystone Cops, I would be against the move.

But it's still the same ol' Rex. He's thrown almost three times the picks in five games as Brady has in the same amount of games. He definitely needs a time-out.

Also, disagree with the author of that article and think if an epiphany was coming to him about how he plays, it already would have.

This is almost ten years of demonstrable, unequivocal behavior from Mr. Grossman. It simply is what it is. I don't know if this benching and embarrassment will do any good if getting the second chance and clean start itself failed to convict him to change.

And as far as Beck goes, I agree with the poster who said that inre: starting him, lesser known negatives definitely equals more positive.

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^ Nice calming post, feel like you should be a councilor of some sort!
I'm a teacher. So kinda sorta..... And it's counselor. lol
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Old 10-21-2011, 12:14 PM   #190
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It's always possible to improve & there are the rare QBs that happen to be really late bloomers, e.g. K. Warner, Tommy Maddox. Aren't many of those guys though, usually after 4-5 years in NFL a QB is approaching his ceiling.

I don't get why some think Rex is so close to being good. Does he make some throws well? yes, he can make plays w/little to no pressure, but that's not a luxury anyone in the nfl has. Not only that he consistently throws the ball into traffic when not under much pressure, and his mobility is so limited in the pocket that he can't create better lanes when there's a little pressure. He's the same Rex he always has been.
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Old 10-21-2011, 01:05 PM   #191
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Yeah people talk about how he went to a SuperBowl... Remember how Lovie Smith had to reiterate just about every damn week that "Rex is our Quarterback" to the media? That's called winning in spite of someone, not because of them.

I don't think Rex is terrible overall as an NFL QB, but at this point I don't think he's starting material either. He's where he needs to be, now. Holding a clipboard. Hey, it could be worse. He can spend the next 5 or 6 years chilling on an NFL sideline making in the neighborhood of $1M/season.
That is exactly the way I thought after watching even the early season victories this year with rex. Its like you read my mind. Nothing has changed whenit comes to rex grossman, a tiger cant change his stripes.
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Old 10-21-2011, 02:02 PM   #192
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This is a pretty good break down of Grossman's 5 INT's prior to the Eagles game. I really wish someone would do the Eagles game as well, but at this point the pitch fork mob doesn't care I'm sure. But out of the 5 previous INT's they can only blame Grossman for 1

It's been coming, the Rex Grossman breakdown. Part 1 - A look at all 5 Interceptions. - Hogs Haven

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So overall we have 5 INTs. 2 of which weren't in anyway Rex's fault. 1 was a great play from the mike LB, 1 was an off-balanced throw after feeling pressure, which is something he can learn from and adjust. That just leaves 1 really bad play, which I still can't really help Grossman out with.
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This is a pretty good break down of Grossman's 5 INT's prior to the Eagles game. I really wish someone would do the Eagles game as well, but at this point the pitch fork mob doesn't care I'm sure. But out of the 5 previous INT's they can only blame Grossman for 1

It's been coming, the Rex Grossman breakdown. Part 1 - A look at all 5 Interceptions. - Hogs Haven
Well, look I don't hate Grossman. And certainly supported him. That said, at this point in his career "throwing off balance passes while feeling pressure" isn't something he should still be "learning from"

Also, while I agree that not all the interceptions are his fault. That's unfortunately the reality of playing QB. You get the blame for all of them. Just like not all TD passes should be solely credited to him
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Defending Rex at this point is just laughable. Look at his career, his resume at this point tells you exactly what he is.

I don't hate the guy, but pretending he's on the cusp of greatness is just insane. He's an average QB, better suited as a backup at this point.
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Defending Rex at this point is just laughable. Look at his career, his resume at this point tells you exactly what he is.

I don't hate the guy, but pretending he's on the cusp of greatness is just insane. He's an average QB, better suited as a backup at this point.
Also, having any Rex Grossman debate at this point is pretty pointless. He has lost his shot at becoming at best a game manager. The team has moved on to Beck and so should the fans.
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