John Beck Era Begins

freddyg12 · 10-19-2011, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jontrem

I wonder how much Becks mobility and the injuries along the Oline figured in this decision?

I think regardless of the o line, even if the o line was the best in the nfl, Beck's mobility & speed are a big advantage over Rex. It's not just Rex's lack of scrambling ability, he doesn't move well in the pocket. You can have the best pass blocking line, your qb will still get some pressure & need to move. e.g. NE, you still see Brady move his feet in the pocket and adjust even when blocking is good. Rex also has a slow release.

Like this move, not expecting Beck to win games for us w/30+ throws a game, just want to see him make enough plays & reduce TOs & we'll be at least avg.

mlmpetert · 10-19-2011, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jontrem

Just out of curiosity what would you consider as Rex's strengths? I am not being snarky or sarcastic here, serious question.

Yeah i was wondering the same thing when i was originally typing my comment....

But i do think Rex is good at somethings. He gets the ball off very quick and spreads it around well. I also think hes fairly acurate within 15 yards. What makes him so bad in my opinion is the fact that you can count on him making extremely horrible decisions when given the opportunity. He also has very bad "pocket presence" combined with poor ball security. He is also bad at reading and throwing into zones. I personally think that while he likes playing football games he isn’t passionate about the sport, which can be okay for some skill positions (WR, Art Monk) but not for the QB position.

I guess im more saying that he was being forced to do things that we all knew he was bad at, rather than relying solely on his capabilities.

SkinzWin · 10-19-2011, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

Interesting the different QB decisions The Genius Shanahan Brain Trust has made since they've been here:

1) Decides not to re-sign Campbell
2) Trades a 2nd round pick (and another pick, I forget which round) for Donovan McNabb
3) Trades for John Beck
4) Signs Rex Grossman
5) Benches Donovan McNabb (then has a disastrous presser explaining why)
6) Starts Rex Grossman the remainder of 2010
7) Trades Donovan McNabb for a side of rice pilaf
8) Praises John Beck in the offseason like he's God's gift (Kyle wanted him 10th overall in Houston, etc etc)
9) Starts Rex Grossman after an open competition in camp
10) Benches Rex Grossman 5 weeks into the season (I agree with this decision wholeheartedly)
11) Names John Beck the starter.

WHEW!! Let's hope he starts hitting on some of his quarterback decisions.

McNabb was a miss on his part. But a gamble a lot of people would have taken regardless. Everything else I believe is what was out there that we could get. As I always say, Rome wasn't built in a day. (History teacher in me) They have been upgrading other positions of need because they didn't see any FA qb's or draftees that they liked. No point in getting someone big in FA, or betting the farm in the draft just for the sake of getting a big name qb. I mean come on, who do you think these guys are? Vinny?!?

Watch Shanny draft a 1st round QB talent in the draft he likes this year and it will be different, I guarantee you.

PS: I think Beck will be better than Grossman to the effect of Beck not necessarily being a much better QB than Grossman, but that he is more of a game manager than a risk taker. He won't turn the ball over as much as Rex . Make the throws he needs to make and let the running game and defense win games. Just like what the Jets did with Sanchez going to the AFC title game. However, with our offensive line injuries, I think that line of thinking could be threatened and we take steps back unfortunately. I hope these back up guys can step up.

mredskins · 10-19-2011, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

Interesting the different QB decisions The Genius Shanahan Brain Trust has made since they've been here:

1) Decides not to re-sign Campbell
2) Trades a 2nd round pick (and another pick, I forget which round) for Donovan McNabb
3) Trades for John Beck
4) Signs Rex Grossman
5) Benches Donovan McNabb (then has a disastrous presser explaining why)
6) Starts Rex Grossman the remainder of 2010
7) Trades Donovan McNabb for a side of rice pilaf
8) Praises John Beck in the offseason like he's God's gift (Kyle wanted him 10th overall in Houston, etc etc)
9) Starts Rex Grossman after an open competition in camp
10) Benches Rex Grossman 5 weeks into the season (I agree with this decision wholeheartedly)
11) Names John Beck the starter.

WHEW!! Let's hope he starts hitting on some of his quarterback decisions.

I think that speaks more to the difficulty it is to find that true number one then it does MS inability to find the right guy.

If you go back to each number you listed and erase hindsight you would probably agree that was the best move at the time. I mean you are even saying at #10 this is his best move right now with what he has; two weeks down the road it may look like the dumbest move ever.

Lotus · 10-19-2011, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Would have been nice for us if McNabb wasn't benched yet

Good point. Maybe Ponder will get hurt, giving DMac more starts.

pg86 · 10-19-2011, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

Interesting the different QB decisions The Genius Shanahan Brain Trust has made since they've been here:

1) Decides not to re-sign Campbell
2) Trades a 2nd round pick (and another pick, I forget which round) for Donovan McNabb
3) Trades for John Beck
4) Signs Rex Grossman
5) Benches Donovan McNabb (then has a disastrous presser explaining why)
6) Starts Rex Grossman the remainder of 2010
7) Trades Donovan McNabb for a side of rice pilaf
8) Praises John Beck in the offseason like he's God's gift (Kyle wanted him 10th overall in Houston, etc etc)
9) Starts Rex Grossman after an open competition in camp
10) Benches Rex Grossman 5 weeks into the season (I agree with this decision wholeheartedly)
11) Names John Beck the starter.

WHEW!! Let's hope he starts hitting on some of his quarterback decisions.

Washington Redskins to start John Beck at QB - ESPN preach on Herm

Also third times a charm maybe he got it right this time with the QB

Jontrem · 10-19-2011, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Yeah i was wondering the same thing when i was originally typing my comment....

But i do think Rex is good at somethings. He gets the ball off very quick and spreads it around well. I also think hes fairly acurate within 15 yards. What makes him so bad in my opinion is the fact that you can count on him making extremely horrible decisions when given the opportunity. He also has very bad "pocket presence" combined with poor ball security. He is also bad at reading and throwing into zones. I personally think that while he likes playing football games he isn’t passionate about the sport, which can be okay for some skill positions (WR, Art Monk) but not for the QB position.

I guess im more saying that he was being forced to do things that we all knew he was bad at, rather than relying solely on his capabilities.

Haha ok so I will agree with spreading it around and being accurate within 15 yards. However the negatives have always outweighed the positives with him and I agree and think that KS was asking too much out of him.

backrow · 10-19-2011, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

Interesting the different QB decisions The Genius Shanahan Brain Trust has made since they've been here:

1) Decides not to re-sign Campbell
2) Trades a 2nd round pick (and another pick, I forget which round) for Donovan McNabb3) Trades for John Beck
4) Signs Rex Grossman
5) Benches Donovan McNabb (then has a disastrous presser explaining why)
6) Starts Rex Grossman the remainder of 2010
7) Trades Donovan McNabb for a side of rice pilaf
8) Praises John Beck in the offseason like he's God's gift (Kyle wanted him 10th overall in Houston, etc etc)
9) Starts Rex Grossman after an open competition in camp
10) Benches Rex Grossman 5 weeks into the season (I agree with this decision wholeheartedly)
11) Names John Beck the starter.

WHEW!! Let's hope he starts hitting on some of his quarterback decisions.

Remember #5 equaled 2 + 3?

CRedskinsRule · 10-19-2011, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

Interesting the different QB decisions The Genius Shanahan Brain Trust has made since they've been here:

1) Decides not to re-sign Campbell
2) Trades a 2nd round pick (and another pick, I forget which round) for Donovan McNabb
3) Trades for John Beck
4) Signs Rex Grossman
5) Benches Donovan McNabb (then has a disastrous presser explaining why)
6) Starts Rex Grossman the remainder of 2010
7) Trades Donovan McNabb for a side of rice pilaf
8) Praises John Beck in the offseason like he's God's gift (Kyle wanted him 10th overall in Houston, etc etc)
9) Starts Rex Grossman after an open competition in camp
10) Benches Rex Grossman 5 weeks into the season (I agree with this decision wholeheartedly)
11) Names John Beck the starter.

WHEW!! Let's hope he starts hitting on some of his quarterback decisions.

I think you are missing the very 1st decision, and it was from that one that every other decision followed.

The 1st decision was that the rest of the team could not sustain a raw qb's growth. Thus, his actions all were predicated on building a fundamentally sound team where he could draft his guy, and have him have success. From that, the only questionable decision was getting rid of Campbell, but I have already said that, atleast in my opinion, that was simply moving a guy to clear out past history, so when he does bring in his guy, there are no divided loyalties.

WilbursHomie · 10-19-2011, 11:26 AM

This move gives me a little more faith in the coaches. I sometimes feel like MS and KS are stubborn as hell and you know they wanted it to work out with Rex to show how smart they are with choices. Glad they can do what's best. Because with Beck, we might be getting the same thing as Rex, but maybe not. With Rex, we know exactly what's going to happen. 50 percent decent games, 50 percent horrible.

Lotus · 10-19-2011, 11:31 AM

So we got our starting QB for Doug Dutch.

I don't know whether to cheer for a brilliant personnel move or to cry because we have a Doug Dutch-quality starting QB.

CRedskinsRule · 10-19-2011, 11:36 AM

One (of many) things that worry me about Beck was the scramble where he fumbled the ball. I mean Holy Cow, nobody touched him, he just knocked it loose himself. I guess I believe we will see 1-3 turnovers a game with Beck at QB, just hope his mobility makes up for those ones.

Lotus · 10-19-2011, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

One (of many) things that worry me about Beck was the scramble where he fumbled the ball. I mean Holy Cow, nobody touched him, he just knocked it loose himself. I guess I believe we will see 1-3 turnovers a game with Beck at QB, just hope his mobility makes up for those ones.

Agreed. In my eyes both of our QB's are potential turnover machines.

Bucket · 10-19-2011, 11:43 AM

Where are the bells and rays of sunshine sneaking through the clouds while making this announcement?

The Book of John has begun!
John Beck will be the next morman QB in the NFL to go to the SUPER BOWL!
He will have as many touchdowns as he has wives

Monkeydad · 10-19-2011, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by hooskins

A better question: does McNabb make the HOF? If you only look at his body of work at Philly you could make a case.

No. He had a Bernie Kosar-type career. One of the better QBs in the game while he was at his peak, but never got over the hump. His teams were close to the Super Bowl most years, but never won at the end.

Kosar is not in the HOF, McNabb won't be either...at least any time soon.

10-19-2011, 11:31 AM	#41
Lotus Mann Up HOF! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 8,949	Re: John Beck Era Begins So we got our starting QB for Doug Dutch. I don't know whether to cheer for a brilliant personnel move or to cry because we have a Doug Dutch-quality starting QB. __________________ Rooting for the Dallas Cowboys should be recognized as a treatable mental disorder.

10-19-2011, 11:36 AM	#42
CRedskinsRule MVP Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pasadena, Md Age: 45 Posts: 11,023	Re: John Beck Era Begins One (of many) things that worry me about Beck was the scramble where he fumbled the ball. I mean Holy Cow, nobody touched him, he just knocked it loose himself. I guess I believe we will see 1-3 turnovers a game with Beck at QB, just hope his mobility makes up for those ones.

10-19-2011, 11:43 AM	#44
Bucket The Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Martinsburg, WV Posts: 2,136	Re: John Beck Era Begins Where are the bells and rays of sunshine sneaking through the clouds while making this announcement? The Book of John has begun! John Beck will be the next morman QB in the NFL to go to the SUPER BOWL! He will have as many touchdowns as he has wives __________________ HTTR Redskin Fan since '88 Be friends on Twitter! @thecasualhero

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10-19-2011, 11:26 AM	#40
WilbursHomie Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 316	This move gives me a little more faith in the coaches. I sometimes feel like MS and KS are stubborn as hell and you know they wanted it to work out with Rex to show how smart they are with choices. Glad they can do what's best. Because with Beck, we might be getting the same thing as Rex, but maybe not. With Rex, we know exactly what's going to happen. 50 percent decent games, 50 percent horrible.

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