Carolina Panthers vs Washington Redskins Gameday Thread

Slingin Sammy 33 · 10-23-2011, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bushead

Someone said Cam would go to the probowl if he played against the skins 10 more times and I was just saying Cam's been tearing up everyone, so in "defense" of the defense, let's not make it seem like a magical one-time game.

Actually no. He's put up big numbers, but also made critical mistakes and had a completion % at or under 60%. He's also had two 3 INT games.

What we did today was allow CAR's running game to get going and take the pressure off Cam. He wound up 18/23 with no INTs because our D couldn't force CAR out of Cam's comfort zone. Cam made a couple of nice throws, but our secondary ain't real good either and our best S in coverage DB (OJA) was out. Kudos to the CAR O-line, their OC and Cam for executing & staying within their gameplan.

Prior to this week, the CAR run game outside of Cam was nonexistent. Today we gave up 24 / 103 yds to CAR RBs. Also the 1st 25 yd run by Cam included 3 missed tackles. No excuse for the poor run D. We're over-pursuing and not closing down the cutback lane on the defensive right side (Bowen, Rak, both MLBs but moreso Rocky). This has been going on for 3 weeks now and isn't fixed.

If we get beat strictly in the air, fine I'll live with it. But good teams run and can stop the run. We can do the first part, but if we can't do the second (and nothing is showing me this is going to change) we're in for a long season....again.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 10-23-2011, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Resources? Bowen, Kerrigan, Otogwe (who was out today), and Wilson? Did I miss anyone? Otherwise it's the basically the same group from last year.

Cofield & J. Jenkins (out of course)

SirClintonPortis · 10-23-2011, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Only Hankerson. The rest of the young guys, Royster, Helu, Austin, Paul... They've actually shown that they can be consistent if not decent. I've got no beef with the other rookies. I dunno why you're on the guy's jock so bad.

Indifference is the only feeling I have when I hear Leonard Hankerson's name.
I have not even said that he was good. I haven't even said that he was certain for success. You accusing me of being "all over his jock" is ****ing bullshit.
You have already deemed Hankerson to be doomed to failure. This is equivalent to having a 0% probability of providing value to us. Therefore, he will not provide any value. T.O will be guaranteed to provide value(100% certainty). Therefore, T.O should be picked up.

I don't believe Hankerson has a 0% probability of success, more like 5-7% ish of "making it", and something .03% of becoming a superstar. Well, Hankerson's low probability of success is still higher than T.O probability of even playing 2 years from now. And FA pickups are never 100% guaranteed either. T.O very well could pull a Randy Moss in Tennessee and not do much either.

I care about good personnel strategy just as much as good personnel execution. Hankerson might indeed fail and thus he becomes an example of failed execution in personnel acquistion. But I'm willing to take a chance on him over T.O because he might provide more than T.O.

DynamiteRave · 10-23-2011, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Indifference is the only feeling I have when I hear Leonard Hankerson's name.
I have not even said that he was good. I haven't even said that he was certain for success. You accusing me of being "all over his jock" is ****ing bullshit.
You have already deemed Hankerson to be doomed to failure. This is equivalent to having a 0% probability of providing value to us. Therefore, he will not provide any value. T.O will be guaranteed to provide value(100% certainty). Therefore, T.O should be picked up.

I don't believe Hankerson has a 0% probability of success, more like 5-7% ish of "making it", and something .03% of becoming a superstar. Well, Hankerson's low probability of success is still higher than T.O probability of even playing 2 years from now. And FA pickups are never 100% guaranteed either. T.O very well could pull a Randy Moss in Tennessee and not do much either.

I care about good personnel strategy just as much as good personnel execution. Hankerson might indeed fail and thus he becomes an example of failed execution in personnel acquistion. But I'm willing to take a chance on him over T.O because he might provide more than T.O.

You seem to be under the delusion that I think TO is the second coming of Jesus. But if you'd like to twist things around like that, that's fine. All I said was TO could be a short term (read SHORT TERM) band-aid and Hankerson isn't going to be anything special from what I've seen from him in college and in the pre-season.

With Gaffney, Austin, and Paul, a guy from the practice squad who's had 6 weeks to study the playbook and still run around like a chicken with his head cut off it doesn't look very promising. The odds are against Hankerson is what I've been getting at. I get that everything is a risk, some guys actually show promise. To me seeing his college tape and his pre-season tape, Hankerson doesn't.

But if you wanna fill the team in your head with a bunch of what-if's, go right ahead. This argument is ridiculous because apparently I wanna take TO and make him play for 5+ years and think he's never/hasn't dropped off. Silly me.

But for the sake of you being right and the Skins getting better, I hope Hankerson ends up the second coming of Jerry Rice.

Beemnseven · 10-23-2011, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

You seem to be under the delusion that I think TO is the second coming of Jesus. But if you'd like to twist things around like that, that's fine. All I said was TO could be a short term (read SHORT TERM) band-aid and Hankerson isn't going to be anything special from what I've seen from him in college and in the pre-season.

With Gaffney, Austin, and Paul, a guy from the practice squad who's had 6 weeks to study the playbook and still run around like a chicken with his head cut off it doesn't look very promising. The odds are against Hankerson is what I've been getting at. I get that everything is a risk, some guys actually show promise. To me seeing his college tape and his pre-season tape, Hankerson doesn't.

But if you wanna fill the team in your head with a bunch of what-if's, go right ahead. This argument is ridiculous because apparently I wanna take TO and make him play for 5+ years and think he's never/hasn't dropped off. Silly me.

But for the sake of you being right and the Skins getting better, I hope Hankerson ends up the second coming of Jerry Rice.

Yeah, god forbid a rookie wide receiver step up and give us a game changing performance when we need it most. Obviously, that would be asking way too much.

DynamiteRave · 10-23-2011, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Yeah, god forbid a rookie wide receiver step up and give us a game changing performance when we need it most. Obviously, that would be asking way too much.

Never asked him to make a game changing performance. Just show some promise. I don't know why people seem to think I wanted him to come out with 200+ yards and 3 TDs. Run routes. Catch. Basic stuff.

tryfuhl · 10-23-2011, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

An offense that can't score points, a defense that can't force turnovers... It's like Gibbs 2.0 never ended! LOL. We stink out loud.

Same old skins.. Nevermind who leads them

Beemnseven · 10-23-2011, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Never asked him to make a game changing performance. Just show some promise. I don't know why people seem to think I wanted him to come out with 200+ yards and 3 TDs. Run routes. Catch. Basic stuff.

No, no I'm with you. Hank should be able to show us something after week six. But I DID want a game changing performance. Hell, that's what we need. That's what this team has lacked from a drafted wide receiver since Ricky Frickin' Sanders.

Other teams can get game changing performances from rookie wideouts. Why the hell can't we?

pg86 · 10-23-2011, 06:39 PM

I have a feeling im gonna be asking myself how we beat Teams better than us next week and lose to the panthers

SirClintonPortis · 10-23-2011, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

You seem to be under the delusion that I think TO is the second coming of Jesus. But if you'd like to twist things around like that, that's fine. All I said was TO could be a short term (read SHORT TERM) band-aid and Hankerson isn't going to be anything special from what I've seen from him in college and in the pre-season.

I never assumed that you thought these things. My points are based on T.O having a modest season. 600 yards, 3 Tds AT BEST, and likely less.
I'm arguing that the short-term should not be sacrificed in favor of the long term gains. The big question that should be addressed is simple: What do we gain wins/losses-wise picking up T.O? And I'd answer, not enough to justify the move(maybe 2 or 3 at best). I'd rather cut Hankerson for some impressive (to the coaches) practice squader over T.O. And I would be ALL ON BOARD for that move as well. Yes, replacing Hank for some PS'er. No sarcasm. Why? Because it's following the same principle: hunting for long-term assests.

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With Gaffney, Austin, and Paul, a guy from the practice squad who's had 6 weeks to study the playbook and still run around like a chicken with his head cut off it doesn't look very promising. The odds are against Hankerson is what I've been getting at. I get that everything is a risk, some guys actually show promise. To me seeing his college tape and his pre-season tape, Hankerson doesn't.

And I state 5%. FIVE ****ING PERCENT and THREE-THOUSANDTHS of a percent of being a superstar AND YOU'RE ASSUMING I'M IN LOVE WITH THE DUDE AND DESTINED FOR SUCCESS.

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But if you wanna fill the team in your head with a bunch of what-if's, go right ahead. This argument is ridiculous because apparently I wanna take TO and make him play for 5+ years and think he's never/hasn't dropped off. Silly me.

I never assumed that you thought these things. My points are based on T.O having a modest season. Anywhere between 400-600 yards, 3 Tds, give or take.

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But for the sake of you being right and the Skins getting better, I hope Hankerson ends up the second coming of Jerry Rice.

Wait, a guy I stated that I think has .03% chance of becoming a superstar is someone I have a mancrush on? 3 thousdanths of a percent is not that high at all.

You'll probably keep on assuming those same things about me no matter how many times I try to clarify it. That's one assumption I'll actually make from your posting history.

DynamiteRave · 10-23-2011, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

I never assumed that you thought these things. My points are based on T.O having a modest season. 600 yards, 3 Tds AT BEST, and likely less.
I'm arguing that the short-term should not be sacrificed in favor of the long term gains. The big question that should be addressed is simple: What do we gain wins/losses-wise picking up T.O? And I'd answer, not enough to justify the move(maybe 2 or 3 at best). I'd rather cut Hankerson for some impressive (to the coaches) practice squader over T.O. And I would be ALL ON BOARD for that move as well. Yes, replacing Hank for some PS'er. No sarcasm. Why? Because it's following the same principle: hunting for long-term assests.

And I state 5%. FIVE ****ING PERCENT and THREE-THOUSANDTHS of a percent of being a superstar AND YOU'RE ASSUMING I'M IN LOVE WITH THE DUDE AND DESTINED FOR SUCCESS.

I never assumed that you thought these things. My points are based on T.O having a modest season. Anywhere between 400-600 yards, 3 Tds, give or take.

Wait, a guy I stated that I think has .03% chance of becoming a superstar is someone I have a mancrush on? 3 thousdanths of a percent is not that high at all.

You'll probably keep on assuming those same things about me no matter how many times I try to clarify it. That's one assumption I'll actually make from your posting history.

Probably.

pg86 · 10-23-2011, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CapitalDefense

Orakpo soft

Kerrigan owned by an undrafted FA rookie

Coefield does nothing

Bowen nothing

Fletcher always brings it, give me 11 of him.

They haven't banned you yet??

Matty Must be on Vacation

mooby · 10-23-2011, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pg86

They haven't banned you yet??

Matty Must be on Vacation

They don't ban people for their consistently lame opinions.

SmootSmack · 10-23-2011, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mooby

They don't ban people for their consistently lame opinions.

It was close though. Very strongly considered. But we have a couple of guys down so we need to fill the roster spot. Got guys coming back next week though

Hog1 · 10-23-2011, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Probably.

THAT'S Humor......

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