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Old 01-11-2005, 06:29 PM   #1
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Monk vs. Irvin

Just saw where Michael Irving up up for Hall of Fame. I am sure that he will make it. I was just thinking, I dont know all the stats but arent Monk's better? Doesn't Monk have more records (or did until Rice broke them all)? I will be so pissed this August if Irving gets in and not Monk.
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Old 01-11-2005, 06:33 PM   #2
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Irvin will probably be held out a few years given his prowiss(sp) for cocaine and hookers...... lol
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Old 01-11-2005, 06:34 PM   #3
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P.S. Irving is the name of the town where the Cowboys play.
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Old 01-11-2005, 07:18 PM   #4
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The ballot this year is crowded so I don't know if Irvin will get in just yet. But Michael Irvin will get in before Art Monk.

You don't have to like that or agree with that, but I fear it is merely a fact.
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Old 01-11-2005, 07:24 PM   #5
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monk:
catches yards ypc TD
940 12721 13.5 68

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750 11904 15.9 65
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Old 01-11-2005, 07:28 PM   #6
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Unfortunately, I'm afraid you're probably right. Monk should get in long before Irvin. When Monk retired he had all the records, and he was a class guy, unlike what has been mentioned before about Irvin. Irvin gets more attention because of his loud style, (Monk was quite and just did his job). Marino and Young will almost definitely get in on the first ballot (and probably Irvin too). I hate to see that. Monk should really be in and Grimm too!!!
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Old 01-11-2005, 08:21 PM   #7
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I think Monk will get in this year.....

Don't think Grimm will for awhile...maybe next year if the Steelers when the SB...
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Old 01-11-2005, 08:24 PM   #8
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No one is campaigning on behalf of Monk, so he will sit on the sideline until there is a weak class for them to lump him with.

I think it's a shame he hasn't been voted in yet, especially last season with the ones who made it ahead of him, but I think until a very active campaign is made on his behalf, he will get overlooked for quite some time.
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Old 01-11-2005, 08:45 PM   #9
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Art Should be in Canton

Wilbon from the Post and PTI fame has said he's pushed for Monk for several years to no success. I think its just a case of Art Monk having a quiet attitude and not being known as a flashy, "big time" WR. He just went out and did his job. You would think setting both the single season and all time catch records would get you somewhere, particularly in a non-West Coast power running offense that Gibbs ran. That and playing for Joe T, Doug Willams, Jay Schrader, and Mark Rypien in his career. Not that I'm bitter or anything....
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d151b, I think that character should have a huge say in whether a person is included in the Hall of Fame or not. Michael Irvin's penchant for debauchery was a little extreme in most ways. Most people love the type of debauchery with a little booze and a few loose women. Irvin liked the type of hookers and a little "sniff sniff".

It is not justice that Monk will most likely be differed AGAIN, even though that may be the nature of the beast.
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I suspect that "character" will only be part of the equation in the negative sense and not the positive sense. If someone is CONVICTED or PLEADS GUILTY to something that is pretty outrageous, then he might be kept out of the HoF, but all the good works and solid citizenry in the world won't get anyone in. I still wonder what the HoF would have done if the jury had found OJ guilty...

One problem is that there are too many players in the HoF - and some coaches too - who were not universally nice people if you looked carefully at their entire life. Let me use Lawrence Taylor as an example; he was the best OLB to play the game, but he's not exactly the person I'd like my children to grow up to be. And there are others...

Michael Irvin was no saint by any stretch of the imagination but nothing pinned on him was outrageous, so I doubt that he will kept out of Canton because of his off-field notoriety.
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Old 01-11-2005, 11:40 PM   #12
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It's pretty funny that the same people that would put Irving into the hall and leave out Monk, are the same people that keep crying about Moss's little celebration in the end zone on sunday, I guess Randy was just making sure he get's voted in on the first ballot! what a joke!
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Old 01-12-2005, 12:30 AM   #13
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offiss hit it right on the head.

TO does that stupid shit for the publicity, same with joe horn. he did that so he could make the a name for himself.

art monk rarely did interviews. too bad for him the reporters are the ones voting him in.

why do you think tampa bays defence was so "talented"? because berman likes them and they are on sports center every single day. it's fucking rediculous. how many times have you seen mike alstott on the plays of the week for a 3 yard run...
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Monk had more catches and yards then Swann and Stallworth combined and they got in before him.And they cant say its a ring thing cause he has 3.But i think he will get in this year.
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When people are elected into the HOF I think that stats and how they effected the game should be taken into consideration.

Now some may wonder how Art Monk changed the game of football. It can be clearly seen that he was a prototype WR of todays bigger and stronger recievers. I mean look at Art Monks Height, 6'3" and Weight, 210 lbs. Now look at the top recievers in the leage today, Terrel Owens - Height - 6'3', Weight - 226lbs. Randy Moss - Height 6'4" Weight - 210.

I guess what I am trying to say is that Art Monk was a reciever before his time. I know that Owens and Moss will probably exceed Monks career but at the time that Art Monk played not every Wide out was built like him. Now just about every reciever in the leauge is almost molded like him. IMO Art Monk not only was a Redskin great, he also helped the progression of the game and the Wide Reciver position
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