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Old 11-01-2011, 12:53 PM   #211
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Beck got hit so much even Patrick Ramsey felt bad for him.
Tip of the hat to you for that line, sir... :thumb:
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Old 11-01-2011, 12:55 PM   #212
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The defense deserves some blame b/c they had a lot of long fields and managed to give them away, always sticking the offense in a bad situation. But the run defense in particular did a lot better than we could have reasonably expected.
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Old 11-01-2011, 02:02 PM   #213
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Went back and (painfully) watched the game again. Some general notes:

1. Beck could have avoided some sacks. When he rolled out of the pocket, he should have thrown the ball away on a few occasions. He tool the sack instead. This should get better with playing experience. Only practicing for a few years has given him a false sense of security about his scrambling abilities.

2. The running game could have worked. Torain was starting to hit 4 and 5 yard runs when they abandoned the run altogether. I know we needed to catch up, but we could have gone to a no huddle approach and stick with a balanced attack.

3. Kyle needs to scale back the offense. Injuries are obviously hurting us. To many new pieces, not enough cohesion. Guys running routes wrong, guys blocking wrong, backs missing blocks... these all led to tentative QB play. Looks like Kyle is evaluating players, not trying to win the game. Having Moss, a better security blanket for a QB, in that game would have made a difference.

4. Beck's long ball really sucks. Looks like he is just chucking it up just to say he did. Sometimes it went into double coverage. It was just so far overthrown nobody cared.

5. Defense got run over. It didn't help that they were on the field so much. However, they did limit a 30 pt/game team to 23 pts. Not sure how much to place the blame on them.
Interesting points. Although it was obvious how poor Beck's accuracy is on long balls. He's got to improve markedly in this regard to deserve playtime because if the deep threat is nixed based on the QB the offense CANNOT be successful. Jeez oh man just thinking back to his deep passes makes me cringe! Dude might need contacts or something...
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Old 11-01-2011, 02:18 PM   #214
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1st game- 1 almost INT. 1 actual INT. 1 fumble.

2nd game- 2 INT's. 1 fumble.
1 almost INT? You shitting me? Yeah, he almost had 10 TDs that game too. SEE WHAT I DID THERE? Give me a F-N break with that "almost" crap. If that were the case Rex almost had 10 INTs, but only had 4.


1st game - 4 to 5 crucial drops by WRs to kill drives. Including one fumble by WR to end a big drive. WR running wrong route that causes INT.

2nd game - absolutely no blocking to give proper time need. WRs weren't getting open often.


It's more to it than QB play. Carolina game the WRs didn't do their job, and looks like they weren't doing their job again at Buffalo.
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I would dispute the notion that John Beck had 10 almost TDs against Carolina. I'm going to say he didn't get that close to 10 TDs.

Beck's teammates have done a worse job overall that Grossman's teammates. But that's not the be-all-end-all of Beck's performance. Beck faced two of the softest defenses in the NFL this year and currently carries a 62.0 QB rating (EDIT - he actually carries a 69.6 QB rating).

In the best case scenario, Beck isn't a drop-off from Grossman, which means there's probably some regression towards the mean in his future performances. But there's also the very real possibility that Beck really is the 32nd best out of 32 starting quarterbacks, and that nothing is getting better for him anytime soon. Because there's no obvious reason to turn back to Grossman, we'll find out soon enough.
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Old 11-01-2011, 03:50 PM   #216
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I would dispute the notion that John Beck had 10 almost TDs against Carolina. I'm going to say he didn't get that close to 10 TDs.

I was being funny with that. Beck hasn't had the luxury that Rex did the first first few games with a full cast and healthy OL. Sure Beck played like absolute shit in Buffalo, but lets give him a couple games before we start calling for Rex to come back. Rex couldn't get it done with a full cast, what makes anybody think he's going to get it done with 5 guys out on the offense? He's not.
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Is anyone arguing we should go back to Rex? Beck sucked, Rex sucked. Is this news to anyone? Move along people, nothing to see here ...
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Is anyone arguing we should go back to Rex? Beck sucked, Rex sucked. Is this news to anyone? Move along people, nothing to see here ...
Yep, fact is we have to accept our QB suckage for this year and hope we can get some competent guys in here next year.
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Rex: the offense moves until it turns the ball over
Beck: like being stuck in the mud without hope of of tow

pick your poison
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Yep, fact is we have to accept our QB suckage for this year and hope we can get some competent guys in here next year.
Some fans just refuse to give up the grass is greener mentality.

"Oh Beck sucks even Rex isn't as bad as this, lets put him back in."

So they put Rex back in, and Rex sucks just as bad.

"Oh I don't remember Beck sucking this bad, lets put him back in."

And on and on until the season is over.

Face it guys, we're gonna give to ride out the season with mediocrity at qb.
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Rex: the offense moves until it turns the ball over
Beck: like being stuck in the mud without hope of of tow

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Rex: the offense moves until it turns the ball over
Beck: like being stuck in the mud without hope of of tow

pick your poison
Sadly it's the same as it's been before.

Rex: Will get rid of the ball quickly to compensate for his subpar mobility but is money to turn the ball over at least once a game.

Beck: Will hold onto the ball too long and take sacks. Kind of a poor mans Michael Vick. However he is more accurate and slightly less turnover prone then Rex.

With that said Beck has only played 2 1/4 games. Want to see him for another week or two before we go back. However until the running game comes back (read: Trent Williams returns) I'm pretty sure it won't matter who we play at QB. Plus I'm starting to realize how important Santana really was to this offense. His ability to make plays in tight spaces and move the chains is severely under appreciated.
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Old 11-01-2011, 05:29 PM   #223
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Sadly it's the same as it's been before.

Rex: Will get rid of the ball quickly to compensate for his subpar mobility but is money to turn the ball over at least once a game.

Beck: Will hold onto the ball too long and take sacks. Kind of a poor mans Michael Vick. However he is more accurate and slightly less turnover prone then Rex.

With that said Beck has only played 2 1/4 games. Want to see him for another week or two before we go back. However until the running game comes back (read: Trent Williams returns) I'm pretty sure it won't matter who we play at QB. Plus I'm starting to realize how important Santana really was to this offense. His ability to make plays in tight spaces and move the chains is severely under appreciated.
I think Rex is more accurate with the long ball than Beck.
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Old 11-01-2011, 07:38 PM   #224
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Chris Cooley lays the smack down

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^ Chris Cooley....the voice of reason. :thumb:
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