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Old 10-31-2011, 05:01 AM   #91
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Re: Smoot lays the smack down (Skins/Bills) - mattyk edition

This team sucks plain and simple they are boring as **** with no playmakers, id rather go 3-13 with a good offense (Carolina) then 5-11 with our team YUCK
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:35 AM   #92
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Good evening, SS has the night off.

Wow, what really needs to be said here?

I'm smacking down the entire team and organization. Just a piss poor performance all around.

We could seriously be looking at a top 10 pick in April. Unbelievable.

I love it. Short and sweet. Lol.
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:45 AM   #93
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I'm a supporter of Shanahan -- still. Even now when things are pretty low. I think he needs minimum three offseasons before we can start making permanent judgements about his final product. That said, I'm certain that I, and other defenders of Shanny will have our work cut out for us if the team doesn't match last year's win total.

Things are bad, no doubt. But if some of us had our way, and we were ready to boot the FO and the coaches after one and a half seasons because the team has hit a rough patch, then this franchise is doomed for all time.
I'm not ready to boot the group and start over just yet. I'm so tired of the "it's not working lets start over" after every two years. I'd still give MS his 5 years. Honestly no HC was going to fix this ship wreck over night. The team looks better. But MS needs more of his type of players to include a more accurate QB.
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:55 AM   #94
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I strongly disagree with your contention that the Redskins culture is not professional. I've seen no indication at all of an unprofessional culture under MS and BA. Quite the contrary, IMO.
Well, they were unprofessional yesterday, but you're correct. One shutout doesn't represent the whole of your operation. Now, if the shutouts keep coming then we seriously have a problem.

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I think it is important to stay the course with Shanny and Bruce. I really can't see where they've gone wrong, so far.
They've made some wrong decisions to be sure. McNabb was the biggest, and that set us back quite a bit. No excuses for that one. And if you see other teams stepping up and turning the corner quicker than we are, people are justified in asking "what about us -- why don't we have some playmakers in year two of this program?"

But yes, we have to stick it out with Allen and Shanny. You can't possibly have a situation where Vinny Cerrato gets a pass and hangs around for 10 years but these guys are 2 seasons and out. That's just crazy talk.

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Old 10-31-2011, 07:02 AM   #95
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Beck sucks, lets get the obvious out of the way. The offensive line didn't help him much today, but man he was just horrible yesterday. Holding on to the ball too long, missing open receivers, badly over throwing receivers on deep balls, throwing into bad coverages. With that being said, I have been a supporter of keeping Rex as the starter since this whole John Beck thing started. You dont bench your starting QB when you are 3-2, or even halfway through a game when your 3-1. It just sends the wrong message to your team that the winning record isn't what it is. Yes the offense struggled, but the last two weeks it seems as though the defense is really pressing and inturn giving up a lot of big plays. I think it sent a message to the entire team, and not a good one. The D gave up yards to and points to philly, but really shut them down the 2nd half. When Beck was named starter, we can't stop anyone. What ever the reason it seems to have had a negative impact on the D.

Now, how do you go back to Rex?? Or i guess in Mikes case, you dont unless you say that Beck has some sort of injury or is out of shape, or lazy, or refuses to wear a wrist band. I am sure he can come up with something.
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I'm not ready to boot the group and start over just yet. I'm so tired of the "it's not working lets start over" after every two years. I'd still give MS his 5 years. Honestly no HC was going to fix this ship wreck over night. The team looks better. But MS needs more of his type of players to include a more accurate QB.
Exactly right. It'll become more clear as the season goes on, (if it's not clear already) that this roster was more horrific than any of us ever imagined. He might need every bit of 5 years to right this ship, and I hope he has that long with Lil' Danny.
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Exactly right. It'll become more clear as the season goes on, (if it's not clear already) that this roster was more horrific than any of us ever imagined. He might need every bit of 5 years to right this ship, and I hope he has that long with Lil' Danny.
This ship has been sinking for over a decade now so he is going to need at least 5 years to right this ship.
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Good evening, SS has the night off.

Wow, what really needs to be said here?

I'm smacking down the entire team and organization. Just a piss poor performance all around.

We could seriously be looking at a top 10 pick in April. Unbelievable.
And the last 3 games didnt tell you that. Great breakdown. Congrats Redskins you gave the faithfull 2 weeks this year to get their hopes up, you gave us 1 last year, next year maybe 3. Keep rebuilding things are looking great Playoffs by 2020!! BTW thanks for showing of Canadian friends up north what a crappy organization looks like, im sure we'll get the Europe game next year, so you can show the world "This is how you dont do it" !!!!!!!
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Old 10-31-2011, 08:06 AM   #99
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The problem is OL depth. That was never fully addressed in the offseason.
Absolutely correct. Some quality players on the O-Line would even help the defense stay off the field by keeping the offense on the field. In hindsight Christian Ponder would have been a great pick if we could have pulled that off but Ryan Kerrigan was a fantastic pick.

After years of wasting picks this is the position we put ourselves in. I think it's going to take at least 2 more drafts just like the one we had and maybe 3 including heavy free agency participation to get where we can compete for the title.

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Old 10-31-2011, 08:23 AM   #100
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Skins didnt want Ponder or gabbert obviously so Kerrigan was a great pick IMO
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Old 10-31-2011, 08:43 AM   #101
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I just read through these posts quickly and wanted to say a few things.

1) I am hoping we don't get rid of MS. What we need in this organization is some freaking consistency! If we keep changing coaches every two years we will never improve.

2) I dont think anyone on this board ever thought that we had our Qb of the future on the team this year. Everyone seemed okay with BA/MS's plan not to draft a QB last year as it got us Kerrigan and a ton of extra picks. We just have to remember they do have a plan!

3) So I am going to take a few deep breaths and remember that none of us thought we would be very good this year anyway. So I am going to start watching the games from a standpoint of looking for improvement in the players listed below. I think in the end I will start enjoying my Sundays alot more.

Kerrigan
Orakpo
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Old 10-31-2011, 08:43 AM   #102
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A lot of people seem to believe, and these are people I don't have any reason to doubt, that if Locker was there at 10 we would have taken him.

As you may recall, I was a big proponent of drafting Locker last year. And more importantly a big proponent of drafting at least one QB. But, even though we didn't I thought we made some good acquisitions and this will take time.

As I said, I didn't watch any of yesterday's games so I can't really comment on it. I think overall though we are being decimated by injuries. And yes every team has to deal with them, but most don't really deal with them well. What the Packers did last year was the exception, not at all the norm.

I also think there is talent here that's not being used right. I don't know who is to blame, but it sure seems like Helu could use more touches. And that Austin should get the ball thrown to him more.

And as for Beck, you guys know I was never really on the Beckwagon but once he was named our starter I was certainly rooting for him. And to hear, as I did yesterday, that Beck "gave up"...is disconcerting to say the least

It's been a tough stretch for sure. And yesterday's game, by all indications was an embarassment. Now's the time to see if this team (regardless of the fans, because they don't really matter here) is prepared to fight through this or will they just roll over as we've seen in years past?
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As I said, I didn't watch any of yesterday's games so I can't really comment on it. I think overall though we are being decimated by injuries. And yes every team has to deal with them, but most don't really deal with them well. What the Packers did last year was the exception, not at all the norm.
SS,yes you have injuries and yes all teams do ,your defense is solid.As with other teams that have lost full positions to injuries,whole D lines or all the corners....players have to step up and execute and coachs have to realize this and call a game that is to his teams abilities,yes you need a QB but I just don't think the Skins are as far away as some here think.
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A lot of people seem to believe, and these are people I don't have any reason to doubt, that if Locker was there at 10 we would have taken him.

As you may recall, I was a big proponent of drafting Locker last year. And more importantly a big proponent of drafting at least one QB. But, even though we didn't I thought we made some good acquisitions and this will take time.

As I said, I didn't watch any of yesterday's games so I can't really comment on it. I think overall though we are being decimated by injuries. And yes every team has to deal with them, but most don't really deal with them well. What the Packers did last year was the exception, not at all the norm.

I also think there is talent here that's not being used right. I don't know who is to blame, but it sure seems like Helu could use more touches. And that Austin should get the ball thrown to him more.

And as for Beck, you guys know I was never really on the Beckwagon but once he was named our starter I was certainly rooting for him. And to hear, as I did yesterday, that Beck "gave up"...is disconcerting to say the least

It's been a tough stretch for sure. And yesterday's game, by all indications was an embarassment. Now's the time to see if this team (regardless of the fans, because they don't really matter here) is prepared to fight through this or will they just roll over as we've seen in years past?
Not buying the injures excuse. Every team has them and the better teams/organizations overcome them. The Eagles had O-line issues and they overcame them. Yesterday I saw a team that was outcoached. If your o-line is having trouble blocking a below average Bills d-line then make adjustments. Leave in more blockers, run some 3 step drops, run a screen or two, roll the pocket, run some quick hitting run plays...we did none of this yesterday!!!!! No adjustments!!!!!!!! You know where I'm going with this. Kyle needs to go. Yeah he can run an offense when everything is perfect for him. Most NFL OC's can. But what makes a really good OC is when a guy see's what he has and works a game plan or a system around that. See Jim Harbaugh, Chan Gailey and whoever the OC is for Carolina. I mean Jim Harbaugh is throwing passes to his O-linemen yesterday. Those guys can coach offense. Kyle can not, or can't when the chips are down. Oh yeah...Chad Rinehart is a starter on the Bills o-line! Ouch!
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Didn't watch any football yesterday but why was Harbaugh having his QB throwing to his offensive linemen? What sort of injuries did SF and Carolina have? What makes the Panthers' OC so great?
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