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Old 10-31-2011, 04:27 PM   #61
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an interesting notion the sports reporters put out there last week was that as skins fans you should be praying the rams win the luck sweepstakes.

Their collective theory was that the rams would then draft luck and make bradford available whom mike was in love with but couldnt pry the 1st pick away from them 2 years ago.

but it looks like the colts and dolphins are really really sucking this year.
Wow...no one here has been talking about the Rams getting Luck and the Redskins trading for Bradford...
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Old 10-31-2011, 04:27 PM   #62
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I think Luck is out of the question. Either the Colts or Dolphins will end up with the #1 pick, and they're both looking for a QB for the next 15 years (who knows what's going to happen with Peyton Manning, his neck injury, and the $28M the Colts will owe him come March).

I think RG3 is a better athlete than Jones or Barkley, but IMO he's not as good a QB as either of them. Landry Jones is pretty athletic. He'd fit in just fine with what try to do offensively.
I don't got the Colts drafting Luck. Based on what I seen yesterday I think the Miami got a better team than we do. They're going to win some games. Luck is not out of the question.


RG3 is more accurate passer than both Landry Jones and Matt Barkley. That's not my opinion it's a fact. What exactly are basing your assessment on? It couldn't have nothing to do with what's happening on the field.
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Old 10-31-2011, 04:30 PM   #64
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Wow...no one here has been talking about the Rams getting Luck and the Redskins trading for Bradford...
the sarcasm is strong in you . . . ive been pretty much not paying attention to the luck talk till about 3 mins ago.

everything i read in this thread has been about drafting a qb, not trading for bradford. carry on
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Old 10-31-2011, 04:47 PM   #65
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I completely agree with those who think that QB should be our first priority.

Forget Luck. There are other teams that are doing a much better job of sucking for Luck than we could ever do. But I think we can still get a good QB in the draft. I like Landry Jones and Matt Barkley is growing on me. We might possibly be able to pick up Flynn as a FA, if the brain trust likes him enough. I honestly feel that we're going to be alright at QB in the not too distant future.

I also agree that the OL should be our second priority. The one thing that I don't agree with others about (and perhaps this is a fine point) is the POV that we need OL depth. That's because I think that we already have OL depth. What we lack is the quality starters we need for our OL.

Trent will be fine. I like Montgomery at C. The others make for decent backups. I thought that Jammal Brown would come on this season in his second year following a major injury but it seems that he lacks the lateral quickness to start at RT. I'd say we need to find a starter at RT and at least one quality G.

My fantasy is that we have an offseason like the Skins had in 1981 when they added Mark May, Joe Jacoby, and Russ Grimm to the OL.
The '81 draft shouldn't just be celebrated for the OL haul (I know Jacoby wasn't drafted, but he was a RFA). Dexter Manley, Darryl Grant, Clint Didier and Charlie Brown were all part of that draft as well.

On the other hand, while worthly of celebration, that draft should also be acknowledged as an element of the distant, distant past that unfortunately has no relevance today.
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Old 10-31-2011, 05:02 PM   #66
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I don't got the Colts drafting Luck. Based on what I seen yesterday I think the Miami got a better team than we do. They're going to win some games. Luck is not out of the question.


RG3 is more accurate passer than both Landry Jones and Matt Barkley. That's not my opinion it's a fact. What exactly are basing your assessment on? It couldn't have nothing to do with what's happening on the field.
Well, agree to disagree on Luck then.

As far as Landry Jones vs RG3... RG3 padded his stats early against the Rice's and Stephen F. Austins of the world. He hasn't been great the past 3 weeks with only 5tds and 4ints. Landry Jones has been torching it lately with 10 tds in the past two games against quality opponents like K-State and Texas Tech. I'm no QB expert, I just like Barkley and Jones better as pro-prospects than I do RG3. I never said I didn't like RG3 btw.

Anyway, I'm not a pro scout so it doesn't really matter, and I'm also not really in the mood to get into a RG3 argument for the sake of satisfying your man-crush on him.
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Old 10-31-2011, 05:12 PM   #67
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Wow...no one here has been talking about the Rams getting Luck and the Redskins trading for Bradford...
I would love for that to happen. But as of right now I feel like it's too early to tell who's going to end up where. There are four teams right now that have a legit shot at the first pick (Colts, Dolphins, Cards, Rams) and I only count the Cards because of record, but I do think they won't finish with one of the absolute worst records in the league. As of right now we have the 10th worst record in the league, so we'd have to lose a lot more games if we were to finish in the top ten.

According to NFL.com, these are the 10 worst teams in the league, in order with everything considered.

Redskins 3-4
Broncos 2-5
Seahawks 2-5
Panthers 2-6
Jaguars 2-6
Vikings 2-6
Cards 1-6
Rams 1-6
Colts 0-8
Dolphins 0-7

Long story short, there's a long ways to go before we can start talking draft order and things of that nature. With that said, out of the 4 1-win teams I'm rooting for the Rams to lose out, because I would take Bradford just as much, if not moreso, than I would take one of the qb's in this draft.
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I would love for that to happen. But as of right now I feel like it's too early to tell who's going to end up where. There are four teams right now that have a legit shot at the first pick (Colts, Dolphins, Cards, Rams) and I only count the Cards because of record, but I do think they won't finish with one of the absolute worst records in the league. As of right now we have the 10th worst record in the league, so we'd have to lose a lot more games if we were to finish in the top ten.

According to NFL.com, these are the 10 worst teams in the league, in order with everything considered.

Redskins 3-4
Broncos 2-5
Seahawks 2-5
Panthers 2-6
Jaguars 2-6
Vikings 2-6
Cards 1-6
Rams 1-6
Colts 0-8
Dolphins 0-7

Long story short, there's a long ways to go before we can start talking draft order and things of that nature. With that said, out of the 4 1-win teams I'm rooting for the Rams to lose out, because I would take Bradford just as much, if not moreso, than I would take one of the qb's in this draft.
how can we rank better than the Panthers? that's nonsense.
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I know the "next years class" has been my go to joke the last couple of years when it comes to the draft but I'm getting the feeling that when January comes around enough QB's will stay in school to start producing those uneasy feelings and people that are on the fence will actually be serious about saying "lets wait for next years class." I mean lets look at the prospects

Andrew Luck - Not as a prospect for us to draft but his availability might affect who falls to us. Anyway it seems like a good chance that he could come out. He'll have his degree and could easily have a national championship by years end. Then again he might not be enamored about the prospect of sitting behind Peyton for 3 or 4 years so he might stay in school.

Landry Jones - All but out of the title hunt. I said before that he would be a likely candidate to go back if they didn't win a national title and now it looks like that will be put to the test. Plus he saw his buddy Bradford go 1st overall despite being injured early in the year so having an injury affect his draft stock probably won't concern him to much.

Matt Barkley - I don't know for sure but as I've said before he is likely a lifelong USC fan (born in Southern California) that likely comes from money (~$40k tuition to go to his high school for 4 years) so going to the draft isn't a priority. Plus you have Andrew Luck leaving the PAC 12 the NCAA ban being lifted (something Barkley has apparently been looking forward to) and a team thats played pretty damn well in spite of the ban (would probably be top 10 right now). Also remember he didn't split and played a big role in encouraging key players to stay and wait out the ban so the team would be ready for 2013.

Robert Griffin III - Don't know to much about him but everyone says he's a very bright kid. To me that usually means schools a priority which would increase the likelihood of him staying but again I don't know a lot of specifics about his situation (SS33 that's your cue).
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1. QB
2. BEST AVAILABLE OFFENSIVE LINEMEN (NEED DEPTH ACROSS THE BOARD)
3. BEST AVAILABLE OFFENSIVE LINEMEN (NEED DEPTH ACROSS THE BOARD)
4. BEST AVAILABLE OFFENSIVE LINEMEN (NEED DEPTH ACROSS THE BOARD)
5. QB
6. ILB
7. CB

This would be my 7 round draft strategy.

Our QB and OL combined play just drags on you mentally week after week.

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Next Years Receivers for Depth: Paul, Robinson/Armstrong

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Old 10-31-2011, 05:54 PM   #72
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I think that we should pick a corner near the third round though. maybe the fourth. We need some life in our secondary.
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One things for sure though no going short change on the QB position. As promising as Jenkins looks and as intriguing as the future potential of Leonard Hankerson is, it's looking like it wasn't worth not trying to trade up for Andy Dalton. Then again hindsight is 20/20.

Also Daltons early success may be slightly deceiving. AJ Green is a ridiculously talented safety net. I like to call it the Culpepper effect.
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Old 10-31-2011, 05:59 PM   #74
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QB, OL, WR, and CB are our most pressing needs by far imo.

we need to get younger at the qb position and more talent, bottom line. rex/beck may be serviceable for another year or so if they get some more talent around them, but we need to groom a guy for the future or plug them in to start next year.

our 1st string O-line is ok, but we need depth. we could also use a new starting right tackle.

we need a playmaker at wide receiver. moss is a slot receiver at this point in his career and should definitely remain on the team, but we need a wide receiver that strikes fear into opposing teams. we do not have one. we need someone they have to gameplan against.

our corners suck. we dont have a #1 as hall and wilson are both #2 corners or even nickle guys. i think hall would be good as a nickle corner personally, but we definitely dont have a shut down guy, and kevin barnes sucks.

aside from these 4 areas of need, i think we are ok. these are definitely the areas i'd focus on in the offseason/draft at this point.
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One things for sure though no going short change on the QB position. As promising as Jenkins looks and as intriguing as the future potential of Leonard Hankerson is, it's looking like it wasn't worth not trying to trade up for Andy Dalton. Then again hindsight is 20/20.

Also Daltons early success may be slightly deceiving. AJ Green is a ridiculously talented safety net. I like to call it the Culpepper effect.
i dont think dalton would be succeeding here, nor do i think he will be a pro bowl qb in the future. he will be a solid starter imo.
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