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Old 11-02-2011, 11:50 AM   #16
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I wonder what our situation would be right now had we gone with Bruce Allen's preferred choice and taken Eric Berry instead of Trent Williams
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Old 11-02-2011, 12:14 PM   #17
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Yeah he's wildly inconsistent, talks way too much ish, is borderline dirty, and the years keep passing while we wait for him to be an elite safety. I don't think he's really healthy right now, but aside from the first half of last year, we have yet to see him rise to the level we hoped for when we made him a top 10 pick.

All that said, I still think we'll re-sign him. Our secondary is doggy doo doo. I know he's a liability in coverage at times, but the back 4 is worse without him.
To make matters worse, we don't have anyone who is really good at coverage. LL would be fine if we had at least one really good coverage corner. As it is, our coverage is pretty much smoke and mirrors with everyone back there needing to work perfectly together. We can play a defense to his strengths b/c we have no one to make up for his weaknesses.

As Matty said, however, the blame for our D isn't LL's issues - it's the lack of one really good cover guy.
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Totally correct. REED DOUGHTY is more of a solid player.
there goes the neighborhood
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there goes the neighborhood
"There goes the neighborhood". Funny.

You must like Laron's big muscles. Or is it the way he flies thru the air with a swing and a miss? But big muscles are impressive to some. Reed can tackle better than Laron. Laron should be more solid. He has the tools. But he hasn't proved it. He sure talks a good game after the other team gets a first down and we are behind big time and he happens to be in on the tackle. There is a reason Reed is on the team playing. He has heart and doesn't talk stupid chit at the wrong time. See link below for Laron's solid play.



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To make matters worse, we don't have anyone who is really good at coverage. LL would be fine if we had at least one really good coverage corner. As it is, our coverage is pretty much smoke and mirrors with everyone back there needing to work perfectly together. We can play a defense to his strengths b/c we have no one to make up for his weaknesses.

As Matty said, however, the blame for our D isn't LL's issues - it's the lack of one really good cover guy.
He didn't say that you did. You're just kissing tail. And the reason for the defense woes is not the lack of one good cover guy. That's the reason we can't stop the run? It's a lack of discipline. Just ask London Fletcher after chewing out Laron. LOL

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Don't know if that's directed at me, I can see how it appears I'm blaming Landry for a bigger problem. When coaches look to address a problem, personel is obviously a major part, so I'm just pointing out that LL may be part of the problem, not the whole problem itself.
It really wasn't, because this is the first time this season I hear a complaint about Landry. I think though that it is a concern when a player like Landry (who is supposed to be our best player on defense) is faltering. I always hear people during games complain about either Doughty or Hall, and feel that they are the only ones screwing up. When it seems that the entire defensive backs unit is having issues, and not just one guy.
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It really wasn't, because this is the first time this season I hear a complaint about Landry. I think though that it is a concern when a player like Landry (who is supposed to be our best player on defense) is faltering. I always hear people during games complain about either Doughty or Hall, and feel that they are the only ones screwing up. When it seems that the entire defensive backs unit is having issues, and not just one guy.
As someone mentioned earlier, the expectation is greater of LL. I agree w/that & that makes sense since each player has his a different contract & thus different level of investment from the team.

I'm not just complaining about LL per se as much as I am questioning his overall value & impact. If all we do is say, this guy (e.g. Landry) is better than that guy (e.g. Barnes), there's not much interesting to debate. I'm posing the question as to whether LL is affecting the unit's chemistry. I don't know, but take a look at our results since his return.
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He didn't say that you did. You're just kissing tail. And the reason for the defense woes is not the lack of one good cover guy. That's the reason we get ran on? LOL
I kiss nobody's tail. Matty's quote was:

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I agree. Seems a little too nit-picky to me to start singling out individuals when the unit as a whole is struggling and needs to pick it up. Seems like whenever the D struggles it's always Hall or Landry's fault.
Which indicated to me that he was not blaming LL at this point, which I agree with and with which my statement was entirely consistent.

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As Matty said, however, the blame for our D isn't LL's issues - it's the lack of one really good cover guy.
I should have clarified that I was speaking of the passing D - but, yes, as to that, I think that having one true cover corner would radically improve the rest of our pass defense. Right now, in our pass D, we can't take any one receiver - whether it be a WR, RB or TE - out of the game by assigning a single person to cover them. This isn't applicable to just the league's top receivers, I would suggest it is applicable to every team's top receiver. In light of that, Landry, whose coverage is based on athleticism and closing speed as opposed to anticipation and ball awareness, is forced into playing away from his strengths.
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As someone mentioned earlier, the expectation is greater of LL. I agree w/that & that makes sense since each player has his a different contract & thus different level of investment from the team.

I'm not just complaining about LL per se as much as I am questioning his overall value & impact. If all we do is say, this guy (e.g. Landry) is better than that guy (e.g. Barnes), there's not much interesting to debate. I'm posing the question as to whether LL is affecting the unit's chemistry. I don't know, but take a look at our results since his return.
Not that I know everything but good point.
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I should have clarified that I was speaking of the passing D - but, yes, as to that, I think that having one true cover corner would radically improve the rest of our pass defense. Right now, in our pass D, we can't take any one receiver - whether it be a WR, RB or TE - out of the game by assigning a single person to cover them. This isn't applicable to just the league's top receivers, I would suggest it is applicable to every team's top receiver. In light of that, Landry, whose coverage is based on athleticism and closing speed as opposed to anticipation and ball awareness, is forced into playing away from his strengths.[/QUOTE]

You make some good points there.
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Totally correct. REED DOUGHTY is more of a solid player.
Let's not go overboard.
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Totally correct. REED DOUGHTY is more of a solid player.
Holy Crap! You're serious. I thought you were joking with the Reed Doughty sh**. LOLOLOL

Reed Doughty is a great guy and certainly gives it his all. I love the guy. Unfortunately, his "all" is about 75% of LL's "Just barely trying". RD is simply LL with out LL's speed. RD has zero ball skills, his anticipation is about the same as LL and he simply doesn't have the speed to make up ground like LL does.

He may have better technique at times but, if you are suggesting that RD should start ahead of LL - well, that's just crazy talk. LL has his faults, but LL and his warts are better than RD at the top of his game. RD, great guy that he is, is a back up on this or any other team.
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Let's not go overboard.
Do you really think Laron is playing better? Seriously
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"There goes the neighborhood". Funny.

You must like Laron's big muscles. Or is it the way he flies thru the air with a swing and a miss? But big muscles are impressive to some. Reed can tackle better than Laron. Laron should be more solid. He has the tools. But he hasn't proved it. He sure talks a good game after the other team gets a first down and we are behind big time and he happens to be in on the tackle. There is a reason Reed is on the team playing. He has heart and doesn't talk stupid chit at the wrong time. See link below for Laron's solid play.



Washington Redskins' LaRon Landry Needs to Learn How to Tackle | Bleacher Report
Honestly, there is some truth to this. If you look at the way Reed tackles it's actually picture perfect.
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