The Skins Are Really A Very Horrible Bad Team

NC_Skins · 11-14-2011, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Could have drafted Ponder, Mallet, or maybe even Dalton. Hasslebeck and Palmer were there. A nice deal for Palmer would not have been so bad, although I wouldn't do it if I was a GM. The going to two QBs was also a dumb move, due to the history of both Beck and Grossman. Clemens could have been the one to surprise us all and we let him go.

You want a oft injured mid thirty year old QB behind the OL we currently have?...lol Right now, he's behind a solid offensive line and Chris Johnson in the back field. Notice he wasn't doing diddly squat in Seattle.

Palmer? Are you kidding me? I'm not even going to really address this because it is so ludicrous.

Ponder? Was considered a HUGE reach by the Vikings. Mallet? You serious? Dalton? Picked ahead of us in the 2nd round, and wasn't worthy of a high first round slot based on his evaluation.

So again, what QBs from the magical tree should Shanny have plucked from without mortgaging the future (again) and going for a huge reach just because they are a QB?

tc2deuce · 11-14-2011, 09:51 AM

Minus the interior lineman, compare and contrast the 9ers vs Skins....one team has only lost one game! I am slowly leaning to the "Shanny is washed up" side.

Paintrain · 11-14-2011, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You want a oft injured mid thirty year old QB behind the OL we currently have?...lol Right now, he's behind a solid offensive line and Chris Johnson in the back field. Notice he wasn't doing diddly squat in Seattle.

Palmer? Are you kidding me? I'm not even going to really address this because it is so ludicrous.

Ponder? Was considered a HUGE reach by the Vikings. Mallet? You serious? Dalton? Picked ahead of us in the 2nd round, and wasn't worthy of a high first round slot based on his evaluation.

So again, what QBs from the magical tree should Shanny have plucked from without mortgaging the future (again) and going for a huge reach just because they are a QB?

As terrible as our QB situation is, I tend to agree with you. I have no real qualms with this draft class as constituted. The only thing I would have liked to have seen in either the 2010 or 2011 draft was picking a developmental QB in rounds 4-7. I don't see any of the late picks we made in those rounds truly being an impact player for us so we could have been developing a QB to be no worse than a backup for the future.

I wasn't wowed by any of the rookie QB coming out other than Newton. Where we picked, I've got no issue passing on Gabbert, we didn't have a chance at Dalton in the 2nd round, there's no indication Mallett will be anything yet and we were smart in building through this draft and adding picks next year rather than trading picks to move up and around for a QB in the late 1st or 2nd.

Neither Beck or Rex will be on the team in 2012, I think we're going to draft a QB in the top 5 next year and add a free agent QB. I kinda wish we had added Matt Lienart in free agency to see if there was anything there but he may just be a lefty Beck.

Paintrain · 11-14-2011, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tc2deuce

Minus the interior lineman, compare and contrast the 9ers vs Skins....one team has only lost one game! I am slowly leaning to the "Shanny is washed up" side.

Look at the 5 year draft history of the two teams and then re-post. The Niners/Redskins comparison is a poor one. Remember, the Niners were expected to win the NFC West last year but Singletary was such a terrible coach they had no chance. There is a HUGE talent gap between the two teams.

Chico23231 · 11-14-2011, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

NFL Standings: League

Looking at the standings right now and remaining schedules I do think we'll end up with the 2nd or 3rd overall pick, which to a degree sucks because two team(s) picking ahead of us i.e. Colts and possibly Dolphins will draft Luck.

Agree. Whats interesting is eveyone is talking about the suck for luck sweepstakes, but Carolina, St. Louis, and Minnesota are in there own race to get Justin Blackmon. The guy is gonna be a stud and maybe the 2nd best overall prospect just behind Luck.

NC_Skins · 11-14-2011, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

Neither Beck or Rex will be on the team in 2012, I think we're going to draft a QB in the top 5 next year and add a free agent QB. I kinda wish we had added Matt Lienart in free agency to see if there was anything there but he may just be a lefty Beck.

Matt didn't want to come here. He decided to stay with Houston.

Also, either Beck or Grossman will be on the roster next year. No way Shanny is going to have a roster full of QBs that have 0 experience with the system. Grossman or Beck will start until the rook is ready.

CrustyRedskin · 11-14-2011, 10:09 AM

My bad i had this in the wrong thread.

Kyle S: “Daddy why can’t we win a game”

Daddy S: “Cause I’m a washed up old coach, and I’ve built a pile of crap for a team”.

Kyle S: “Daddy what’s a Mormon ,Moron, and MF’er cause the team keeps calling me and my quarterbacks those names and it makes us mad.”

Daddy S: “Beck is the Mormon, you and Beck are the other two, it’l be ok they’re cool nicknames, I get called those all the time too.”

Kyle S: “Daddy did you see what those Cowboys did the Bills, Daddy we didn’t even score on those guys, I’m skeerd ,what are we gona do”

Daddy S: “Shut the hell up and let me think for a minute, and go get me a Diablo samich and a Dr. Pepper and some hush puppies for Mr. Snyder”

SirClintonPortis · 11-14-2011, 10:26 AM

Hasselbeck would be better than Brecks, but at the same time, it's ultimately up to him where he wants to go. Tennessee gave him a 6 million dollar contract(on average). We might have had to sweeten the pot and offer substantially more money in order to sway him to come here. We certainly would have had to match the length of the contract(3 years), and that might not be too desirable for an aging QB.

Source: Matt Hasselbeck Contract, Salaries, and Transactions

SmootSmack · 11-14-2011, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Hassleback has played in a west coast offense before once under Mike Holmgren. He currently has a 90.0 QB rating. Compare how he's playing now to how Rex Grossman and John Beck are playing. Hasselback is also a proven veteran that has guided the Seahawks to the playoffs a few times and went to one Super Bowl.

The Redskins could have signed Matt Hasselback. If Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen signed this guy instead of going along with the comic relief notion that John Beck and Rex Grossman could actually play QB good enough to have a winning record, the Redskins would be at the very least be 5-4 right now. By the way, the Tennessee Titans, the team that Hasselback currently plays for, is 5-4 and very much in the hunt for a AFC wild card birth.

I like Hasselbeck, but I don't see how adding a 36 year old QB to this team makes sense. Only if Rex had gone elsewhere, I suppose. Maybe we sign Hasselbeck and we don't add young linemen in Chester and Bowen? Does that really help us?

I mean I think the problem is you're talking about how we'd do this year. Sure we'd be 5-4 maybe. But so what? Is that what we're aiming for. Another .500 record with a QB on his last legs? Titans have Locker (heck even Rusty Smith) on the roster behind Hasselbeck. So in a year or two when Hasselbeck is ready to hang up his cleats they have QBs ready. We don't. So yeah we could have added Hasselbeck for a quick fix, but that doesn't really solve our problem.

SmootSmack · 11-14-2011, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

As terrible as our QB situation is, I tend to agree with you. I have no real qualms with this draft class as constituted. The only thing I would have liked to have seen in either the 2010 or 2011 draft was picking a developmental QB in rounds 4-7. I don't see any of the late picks we made in those rounds truly being an impact player for us so we could have been developing a QB to be no worse than a backup for the future.

I wasn't wowed by any of the rookie QB coming out other than Newton. Where we picked, I've got no issue passing on Gabbert, we didn't have a chance at Dalton in the 2nd round, there's no indication Mallett will be anything yet and we were smart in building through this draft and adding picks next year rather than trading picks to move up and around for a QB in the late 1st or 2nd.

Neither Beck or Rex will be on the team in 2012, I think we're going to draft a QB in the top 5 next year and add a free agent QB. I kinda wish we had added Matt Lienart in free agency to see if there was anything there but he may just be a lefty Beck.

Agree on the bolded parts.

I'm a bit surprised we didn't make a stronger attempt to get Leinart. You may recall I said even before we hired Mike Shanahan that Leinart was to keep an eye on, because Mike liked him a lot coming out of the draft. I suspect maybe Kyle isn't the biggest fan. But I don't know

Leinart and Young were the two FA QBs we were expected to go after. And Leinart we made a half hearted attempt at, and Young I think was more a victim of an extended lockout.

rypper11 · 11-14-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by saden1

All I want to know is what happened to all the vitality and life displayed by this team the first 4 weeks of the season? Did they lose all their confidence? Have they been possessed by some sort of demonic entity? Or is there a hug rift within the coaching staff and/or player ranks?

This team looks dead, I have seen them this feeble and dead since Spurrier days and that's saying a lot give that our last coach was Zorn.

What could have happened to the momentum and vitality of that 3-1 team? Oh yeah, a knee jerk swap of qb's to one who shouldn't start for most Div I schools unless they have a great OLine that can let him sit there for a full day. We'll see if Rex can inject some swagger back into the team in coming weeks or if they're too far gone.

CrustyRedskin · 11-14-2011, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by rypper11

What could have happened to the momentum and vitality of that 3-1 team? Oh yeah, a knee jerk swap of qb's to one who shouldn't start for most Div I schools unless they have a great OLine that can let him sit there for a full day. We'll see if Rex can inject some swagger back into the team in coming weeks or if they're too far gone.

ROTFLMAO!!!! yeah right!!!

SirClintonPortis · 11-14-2011, 12:41 PM

Rex, while certainly responsible for a good deal of the offensive woes on offense, is also being hindered by holes on the offense. One thing in particular is that we can't run in the red zone, so we're forced to pass. That makes the opposing defense's job a helluva lot easier since they don't need to commit resources to the run. We can try to fix this by improving the OL or finding a big target at WR. In fact, we must if we want a offense worth a damn, even with a franchise QB.

DynamiteRave · 11-14-2011, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rypper11

What could have happened to the momentum and vitality of that 3-1 team? Oh yeah, a knee jerk swap of qb's to one who shouldn't start for most Div I schools unless they have a great OLine that can let him sit there for a full day. We'll see if Rex can inject some swagger back into the team in coming weeks or if they're too far gone.

Not going to happen.

With mounting injuries to starters and rookies, no QB, only 1 real RB in Helu and defense that's getting worked up and down the field game in and game out... This team would need a direct injection of swag and Rex sure as hell isn't going to be the one to bring it.

firstdown · 11-14-2011, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

This thread isn't about selling my tickets, the stuff about the tickets is just anecdotal. I could care less about selling the tickets, I will be happy to give them as x-mass gift to family and friends.

Not much of a x-mas gift.LOL

Yesterday I was making fishing sinkers while watching the game and kind of just laughed as I watch our season sink.

11-14-2011, 09:51 AM	#152
tc2deuce Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 262	Re: The Skins Are Really A Very Horrible Bad Team Minus the interior lineman, compare and contrast the 9ers vs Skins....one team has only lost one game! I am slowly leaning to the "Shanny is washed up" side.

11-14-2011, 10:09 AM	#157
CrustyRedskin The Starter Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: RatherbeinDC, TX Posts: 1,992	Re: The Skins Are Really A Very Horrible Bad Team My bad i had this in the wrong thread. Kyle S: “Daddy why can’t we win a game” Daddy S: “Cause I’m a washed up old coach, and I’ve built a pile of crap for a team”. Kyle S: “Daddy what’s a Mormon ,Moron, and MF’er cause the team keeps calling me and my quarterbacks those names and it makes us mad.” Daddy S: “Beck is the Mormon, you and Beck are the other two, it’l be ok they’re cool nicknames, I get called those all the time too.” Kyle S: “Daddy did you see what those Cowboys did the Bills, Daddy we didn’t even score on those guys, I’m skeerd ,what are we gona do” Daddy S: “Shut the hell up and let me think for a minute, and go get me a Diablo samich and a Dr. Pepper and some hush puppies for Mr. Snyder” __________________ But you know the sun's settin' fast, and just like they say, nothing good ever lasts.

11-14-2011, 10:26 AM	#158
SirClintonPortis Pro Bowl Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6,052	Re: The Skins Are Really A Very Horrible Bad Team Hasselbeck would be better than Brecks, but at the same time, it's ultimately up to him where he wants to go. Tennessee gave him a 6 million dollar contract(on average). We might have had to sweeten the pot and offer substantially more money in order to sway him to come here. We certainly would have had to match the length of the contract(3 years), and that might not be too desirable for an aging QB. Source: Matt Hasselbeck Contract, Salaries, and Transactions __________________ Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness". Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten. The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.

11-14-2011, 12:41 PM	#163
SirClintonPortis Pro Bowl Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6,052	Re: The Skins Are Really A Very Horrible Bad Team Rex, while certainly responsible for a good deal of the offensive woes on offense, is also being hindered by holes on the offense. One thing in particular is that we can't run in the red zone, so we're forced to pass. That makes the opposing defense's job a helluva lot easier since they don't need to commit resources to the run. We can try to fix this by improving the OL or finding a big target at WR. In fact, we must if we want a offense worth a damn, even with a franchise QB. __________________ Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness". Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten. The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.

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