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Old 11-12-2011, 04:36 PM   #91
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Old 11-12-2011, 05:59 PM   #92
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You do realize that Fred Davis is a free agent after this year. If "everyone can see Fred Davis has grown into a good tight end" as you say, he might just wind up somewhere else next year...
Yeah, I hope we resign him. You see his value almost every week in the passing game. I mean Epic Fail if we let him go.
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Old 11-13-2011, 09:51 AM   #93
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Listen to yourself, and think back to the first year of every new coach we have had since Gibbs retired the first time. Even with Zorn everyone was initially excited about the new regime. The whole thing(meaning franchise) is HYPE. You don't think Shanny and Allen could be all hype after all that we have experienced since the Cooks lost the team?

I am hoping the difference in this equation is Bruce Allen and Shannahan. Both are good personel guys, Snyder has seemed to back off and let them do their thing. I think the proof was the way the draft was handled this year, aquiring more picks (12) and playing youth. Playing Hankerson, Pauls, Austin vs going out and getting Ocho, or TO, or Moss. WHo doesn't think that one of these if not two of these guys would have been Redskins if Allen and Shanny were running things.

THey didn't jump on the 1st QB they could draft when they felt it wasn't someone that can win in the NFL. Which was Gabbert, and of all the rookies playing this year, he has looked the worst by far. These guys know what they are doing, I think there is a QB class coming out next year that is what they were targeting from the beginning. If this regime is allowed to continue this philosophy over the next two - three years and build through draft, play OUR young guys letting them gain experience, and add a key player here or there, I really think we are going to be on the right path towards competing every year.
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Old 11-13-2011, 11:30 AM   #94
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f davis has been good for us this year but i dont think he is elite or irreplaceable. our passing game is short stuff, our TE catches the short stuff.

i see him as that guy on a bad NBA team who scores 24 ppg but has to take 30 shots to do it.
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f davis has been good for us this year but i dont think he is elite or irreplaceable. our passing game is short stuff, our TE catches the short stuff.

i see him as that guy on a bad NBA team who scores 24 ppg but has to take 30 shots to do it.
Davis's season has been deceiving IMO. He doesn't compete for balls in tight spaces the way he should, resulting in 2 of Grossman's INTs vs. Philly, and one of Beck's vs. SF. He has compiled a good percentage of his receiving yards in garbage time, when games are already lost. I love how hard he runs after the catch, but I want to see him put forth the same effort going after the ball when it's in the air. I say re-sign him, but don't break the bank the way we did for Cooley a few years back.
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Old 11-13-2011, 07:39 PM   #96
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"1 + 1 = 2"

"It gets dark at night"

"Revis is better than Deangelo"

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Old 11-13-2011, 07:53 PM   #97
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Other titles for this thread:

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LOL. Well played, sir.
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I am hoping the difference in this equation is Bruce Allen and Shannahan. Both are good personel guys, Snyder has seemed to back off and let them do their thing. I think the proof was the way the draft was handled this year, aquiring more picks (12) and playing youth. Playing Hankerson, Pauls, Austin vs going out and getting Ocho, or TO, or Moss. WHo doesn't think that one of these if not two of these guys would have been Redskins if Allen and Shanny were running things.

THey didn't jump on the 1st QB they could draft when they felt it wasn't someone that can win in the NFL. Which was Gabbert, and of all the rookies playing this year, he has looked the worst by far. These guys know what they are doing, I think there is a QB class coming out next year that is what they were targeting from the beginning. If this regime is allowed to continue this philosophy over the next two - three years and build through draft, play OUR young guys letting them gain experience, and add a key player here or there, I really think we are going to be on the right path towards competing every year.

Well I know we are rebuilding, I just hope that something is actually being rebuilt and not just some BS muddling through just doing stuff to look like the FO is actually doing something.
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Well I know we are rebuilding, I just hope that something is actually being rebuilt and not just some BS muddling through just doing stuff to look like the FO is actually doing something.
Considering that our draft picks this have actually shown some immediate impact, unlike 2008's picks, I think we do. Jenkins made noise and earned a starting job before his injury. Kerrigan, no explanation needed. Helu looks like the second coming of Portis, without the bad attitude. Hankerson had his first 100 yard game in his second start(unlike the eternity Devin Thomas took).

Trent looks serviceable at the very least. Rak is pretty good as well, although he isn't elite yet. We need to stay the course and draft well again next year, use free agency well, and pick up good UDFAs.
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It's the FO's job to have competent reserves in place. Failing to maintain a certain level performance after an injury shows a failure to do that job.
Hell, they haven't even got around to replacing all the "starters" and people are villifying them for having depth?


Not sure what you all expected. The restricted FA his first year and a lockout the following off-season. You can't make something out of nothing.
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Old 11-13-2011, 08:53 PM   #101
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I was at the game today and I DO think the Skins are going the right way and have improved the team since last season. I anticipate them having a huge offseason once this one is done. I think they have a decent team....BUT
The squad they are able to field at this point does not appear to have the talent to compete at a reasonable level.....AND is damn hard to watch.
Thank goodness I have the demon alcohol to help me through this......Httr!
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Old 11-13-2011, 09:05 PM   #102
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Hell, they haven't even got around to replacing all the "starters" and people are villifying them for having depth?


Not sure what you all expected. The restricted FA his first year and a lockout the following off-season. You can't make something out of nothing.
Well, I do cut them some slack. As you said, you can't get both great starters and quality depth for every position all in one offseason, especially with the "spring is almost dry".

But at the same time, they did willingly choose to engage in a couple risky and potentially costly short-term moves that still might have delayed progress in acquiring young talent. This is where the "really bad" aspect of their failure lies.

However, it seems they learned their lesson and are finally "hunting" the "right" way. Hold on to the draft picks, make low-risk trades, and use free agency judiciously.
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I was at the game today and I DO think the Skins are going the right way and have improved the team since last season. I anticipate them having a huge offseason once this one is done. I think they have a decent team....BUT
The squad they are able to field at this point does not appear to have the talent to compete at a reasonable level.....AND is damn hard to watch.
Thank goodness I have the demon alcohol to help me through this......Httr!
We were at the same game but we clearly saw two different teams. I saw a far less talented and competitive team than the 1 win Dolphin team they faced. I am hoping for a huge offseason too, they need one because they are severely lacking in playmakers and team speed. They have to play a perfect game in order to win and just don't have those type of players.

My fear is they are at least 2 more offseasons away from being a legitimate playoff team. I don't think there are more than 6 players on our entire roster that could start on a good team so there's lots to build.
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We were at the same game but we clearly saw two different teams. I saw a far less talented and competitive team than the 1 win Dolphin team they faced. I am hoping for a huge offseason too, they need one because they are severely lacking in playmakers and team speed. They have to play a perfect game in order to win and just don't have those type of players.

My fear is they are at least 2 more offseasons away from being a legitimate playoff team. I don't think there are more than 6 players on our entire roster that could start on a good team so there's lots to build.

Speed is a HUGE PROBLEM for the skins, we simply don't have enough of it on offense.. AA doesn't really count bcuz he'll be cut after this yr and neither does banks
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We were at the same game but we clearly saw two different teams. I saw a far less talented and competitive team than the 1 win Dolphin team they faced. I am hoping for a huge offseason too, they need one because they are severely lacking in playmakers and team speed. They have to play a perfect game in order to win and just don't have those type of players.

My fear is they are at least 2 more offseasons away from being a legitimate playoff team. I don't think there are more than 6 players on our entire roster that could start on a good team so there's lots to build.
Let's see:

QB: Ain't got one (big, big trouble)
WR: Moss, Hankerson
TE: Davis, Cooley
OL: Williams (no one else, this is where I see trouble)
RB: Helu/Hightower

OLB: Kerrigan, Orakpo
DL: Jenkins, Bowen, Cofield
ILB: Fletcher/ possibly Riley if he plays on a consistent basis like today
S: Landry
CB: None (they all suck!!)
P: Rocca
K: Gano
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