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View Poll Results: If the price was right, would you want Randy Moss on the 'Skins?
Yes 19 33.93%
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Old 01-18-2005, 10:07 AM   #46
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Seems like the Cards are pretty set at WR and could use an upgrade at RB more than WR.

I've also heard the rumor that Green may try to obtain Bennett from the Vikes.
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Old 01-18-2005, 10:12 AM   #47
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I think if you ignore the antics and the potential issues he brings then a trade of Bouldin and a DL and maybe even like a 3rd rounder is could very well happen. They'll think it is worht it for the upgrade in skill he brings, the production he brings for other players and the respect he'll bring to the offense. I am not saying I think it would be a good trade but I think they would do it. They key is whether they can rationalize bringing him in by ignoring the issues he brings. The only guy in the league who could honestly ignore the issues is Green. He could rationalize away the issues all day. I'd say this is 60/40 for happening if I were betting.

No way I'd do it though.
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Old 01-18-2005, 12:27 PM   #48
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I like Moss for talent & what his potential is, but I don't like Moss for his lack of maturity & his TO wanna-be b/s

However, if Moss was available to trade for & the Skins would not have to give up Portis or Arrington I would consider trading for him.

I personally would not give up Arrington or portis for Moss because both players are superstars with great couchability & that's worth a hell of a lot more then Moss the retarded superstar freak WR that has the ability to make some of the greatest catches in football history, but his attitude is so bad that he'll be remember as a "what could have been" instead of the 2nd coming of Jerry Rice.

Final thought: I'd Pass on Mr. Moss
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Old 01-18-2005, 02:23 PM   #49
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Contrary to many peoples thoughts, the biggest problem in the Skins, or any team for that matter, trading for Moss would not be his issues, but the huge amount it would cost, between players and/or draft picks, and money. Add his baggage that comes along with all that, and.....Thanks, but no thanks!!! Snyder circa 2000 would be all over it, but he has learned, plus as someone else said, Gibbs runs the show now. They would probably consider it, but once they factored everything in, I think they would decline.
For those that give the Riggins/Manley arguement: Riggins was a RB that got the ball 20+ times a game and basically the key to the offense, as opposed to a WR that will get it around 10 times a game, or less. And Manley's issues didn't come out until he was already with the team. I believe that Gibbs could handle Moss, but in my opinion, he will not think it's worth it. Better to just get Coles healthy and get a good, solid compliment for him to replace Gardner.
The media still tends to think of Snyder and the Redskins the way they were before when it comes to "big names" being available.....remember how everyone thought we would end up with Kearse this year, even if it meant overpaying? Well, his price went up too high, and we didn't.

Randy Moss should not and will not be a Redskin.
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Old 01-18-2005, 02:28 PM   #50
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I assumed this argument saying if you want Moss on your team took all of the financial and trade variables out of the equation. I feel we'd have to give up too much to acquire him, and we couldn't stand it on the cap. However, if Snyder could work a trade for draft picks, and felt he could manage the cap with Moss, I'd take him in a second.
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Old 01-18-2005, 02:43 PM   #51
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Bleedburgandy:

Sorry to keep you waiting for a response; I've been away from a reliable Internet connnection for almost 5 days.


Somebody earlier said that Danny Boy Snyder goes out and gets whatever players HIS CAOACHING STAFF wants. Sounds good but not exactly in line with the facts. Ask Norv how much he wanted to get Jeff George just for starters. And there are plenty of other examples.


Somebody said earlier that there is no worry now because Gibbs is calling all the shots. Sounds good, but not exactly in line with the facts. When there is a difference of opinion that cannot beworked out between Gibbs and Cerrato, they take it to Danny Boy for resolution. That's what Gibbs and Cerrato tell us. They say it doesn't happen often, but that's the deal. TRANSLATION: Anytime Gibbs and Cerrato don't agree on something, Danny makes the call. So who has the final say? And if he has the final say there, who is gonna tell him who to sign/trade for and who not to sign/trade for? :frusty:

Riggins was kinda goofy off the field but once the game started he was all business. That isn't exactly Randy Moss.

Manley was a problem child because of substance abuse and illiteracy. Moss is a problem because he is an immature spoiled brat. Those are not the same problems.



Should the Skins get Moss? No.

Is he better than any WR the Skins have had since Charley Taylor? Absolutely.

Is he another Meathead? Absolutely.

Is he someone you can rely on to make a big play in a big game? No.

If Moss were to come here, think about this:

When Ramsey doesn't throw the ball his way enough or misses him when he is open for a TD, will he go and chew out Ramsey on the sidelines? Yes he will. And how is that going to help a young QB to develop... Or would Moss only get upset with a young and mistake prone QB like Kyle Boller because he knows that Ramsey is a sure-fire first ballot HoF inductee???
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Old 01-18-2005, 02:43 PM   #52
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The problem with the poll question is that different people will have different ideas on what the "right price" of financial and trade variables would be. If you take out the financial aspects of what is would cost to acquire him, with the strong-minded coaching staff we have, of course it would be very nice to have him on the Redskins. Gibbs and company could handle him, and with Ramsey's strong arm, the Ramsey to Moss combo would be be pretty sweet. Remember that Gibbs also dealt with Tony Stewart, who even to someone like me that is not into Nascar at all, is known to be a huge pain in the ass.
But to me, you cannot ignore that side of it, so I don't think the right price could be attained to make the deal.
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Old 01-18-2005, 03:24 PM   #53
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SC - I said he made rookie mistakes when he first came in, including the George, Deion, Smith signings. Since then how many FAs has Snyder gotten against a coaches will?
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Old 01-18-2005, 03:32 PM   #54
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Daseal:

Well, last year when your boy Spurrier wanted to keep Danny Woeful, Snyder cut him and kept some jamoke that Cerrato liked better. That was a while after Snyder's "rookie period".

I don't redcall Steve Spurrier or any of the coaches on the Redskins last year frothing at the mouth to add Darrell Russell to the mix. But Danny Boy signed him in mid-season with the idea he would quickly get into football shape after he did an extensive background investigation on Russell to determine his character. How'd that work out?
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Old 01-18-2005, 03:35 PM   #55
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I don't remember hearing Spurrier say he didn't want those guys. Daniel Snyder has a process where he's the tie breaker. It came into effect. For the most part, he doesn't go after big name FAs that the coaches don't want. I feel fortunate to have an owner that tries, unlike York who said he's worried about the bottom line.
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Old 01-18-2005, 06:09 PM   #56
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Are u all crazy, moss would be awsome pick up no one else in the NFL creates so many match up problems for defenses. I would not give up Lavar, Coles or portis. I would give a couple years of draft picks smoot and gardner. with coles, portis and moss all healthy someone tell me how could you stop that offense.

And everyone says Lavar is over rated... no he's been in what 5 different defenses since being drafted, and has the ability to take over a game. plus he was hurt this season a guy gets injured in this town and u want to ship him out. like trotter who is by the way killing for the eagles.
I think u guys been listening to the media way to much... They have to create heroes ie patriots, Manning, and also bad guys (Moss, TO, redskins). He doesn't have a bad ego moss is just a dumb country boy from west virginia who deosen't know how to talk to the media, and that makes him a great target for the media. So if the media hates him, let him come here, they already don't like to give us credit, and I would like to be the bad guys nobody can stop. a true NFC bully.
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Old 01-18-2005, 06:35 PM   #57
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diehardskins: How many times is LaVar found totally out of position. That's why we think LaVar is overrated. He's a spectacular player, but I question if he has the mental toughness to play the game sometimes.

I agree with the media demonizing Moss. He's not nearly as bad as Joe Buck wants you to think.
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Old 01-18-2005, 07:54 PM   #58
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[QUOTE=Daseal]diehardskins: How many times is LaVar found totally out of position. That's why we think LaVar is overrated. He's a spectacular player, but I question if he has the mental toughness to play the game sometimes.



do you know how many times he's been out of position? the guy has never played in the same defensive system for more than 1 year since entering the nfl. i'll take him being out of position a few times just to have him on the field. next year with lavar, washington and ,hopefully pierce starting you'll be kicking yourself for even saying that lavar is overrated.he's the best linebacker the skins have, yes , he is better than washington. and i'm not knocking washington at all.
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Old 01-19-2005, 02:21 AM   #59
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I look at it this way .. Thrash is a quintesential Gibbs guy big heart, lot of effort contributes every way he can on special teams etc, will play hurt (seperated/dislocated shoulder in his first redskins tenure) but not a whole lot of god given talent or attributes .

Moss is the anti-Trash. Not to say he wouldn't be a good pick...actually I am saying that. Maybe he is demonised as not a team player but he doesn't get that reputation from no-where. Time and time again you see a couple of good games from him then disappears totally when it matters and the spirit on the Vikes team doesn't lead you to belive he is an invaluble team leader which is what you would want from a player of that stature.

Why would Moss want to come here. He would have to renegociate his contract with where ever he ended up and that gives him some leverage. Rember Owens last year? He is going to a team where he feels he can win Baltimore is a possibility and even Arizona are more likley than here.

The thing that anoys me is the fact that whenever there is a big name FA we instantly get associated with them. The FO has done a great job in recent years of getting the players it wants without chasing headlines like we did and will forever be damned for in 2000. Also Snyder is always going to be seen as an interfearing owner for what he did 4 years ago. No matter how much he does to support his coaches and stay away from the team he will be villified .

SC points out some issues where Snyder had his hands in the team such as Danny W ... well i think anyone would have agreed with that Danny W should never have been anywhere need a NFL QB job ...only in Washington was he considered . Rob Johnston wasn't much better but did have starting experience in an NFL system . Darrell Russell yes we gave up the world for him to try and breath some life into a terrible defence with his just above leuge minimum deal. it was a gamble we took a shot on and came up empty.
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Wolfeskins: He certainly has more talent than any linebacker we have, but I feel we need him to step up to the contract we gave him. I'd like to see him stop freelancing all the time, stop complaining about getting a say in personel decesions, stop complaining about being moved to the 3 point stance, stop complaining about missing money on a contract he SIGNED, and play.
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