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Old 11-23-2011, 12:55 PM   #61
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Per a league source, here’s the current list: (1) Colts; (2) Panthers; (3) Rams; (4) Vikings; (5) Cardinals; (6) Redskins; (7) Jaguars; (8) Dolphins; (9) Chiefs; (10) Browns; (11) Eagles; (12) Chargers; (13) Seahawks; (14) Buccaneers; (15) Titans; (16) Bills; (17) Jets; (18) Broncos; (19) Giants; (20) Raider; (21) Bengals; (22) Cowboys; (23) Falcons; (24) Saints; (25) Texans; (26) Ravens; (27) Steelers; (28) Patriots; (29) Lions; (30) Bears; (31) 49ers; and (32) Packers.

So basically we can get him if the Colts dont want him.
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Old 11-23-2011, 01:45 PM   #62
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All things being equal Orton is definitely a better QB than Grossman. Better career numbers, better W/L %, and he simply passes the eyeball test over Grossman.
in a vacuum maybe, but my post related to how he would do in this system. the system is supposed to be soooo complex it takes years for a QB to integrate in it.

I certainly hope that our rookie would win the job outright in training camp next year; however, worst case senario for a 1st round QB as high as well be drafting would be starting by week 4-6. With that in mind, i highly doubt orton would perform better than grossman between now and week 4-6 of next year. and even if he could, would it really be worth taking a new stop gap in for such a short period of time?

Assuming Kyle doesnt "step down" after this season and remains our OC in 2012, id rather have grossman, an experienced QB in the system as our backup/mentor than Orton.

The one and only reason i'd think Orton would be a good idea is if we felt he had a legitimate shot to become our Franchise QB, meaning we could draft a rookie in the later rounds next year and use our early picks on something else.... like starting-caliber offensive linemen.

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Old 11-23-2011, 01:50 PM   #63
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in a vacuum maybe, but my post related to how he would do in this system. the system is supposed to be soooo complex it takes years for a QB to integrate in it.
I bet it's a huge challenge to learn 5 total running plays, a handful of screens and downfield routes lmao...I suspect there's high school teams with more sophisticated offensive scheme.
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Grossman would have lit up the Bills by the way as Beck couldn't muster a point. I hope I do get banned again, you're all idiots that have no idea what a good quarterback is, Rex is the best quarterback this team has had in the last 20 years and he gets benched for Beck. I've been a Redskins fan for 18 years but it's obvious that they really are the laughing stock of the league, just pitiful and sad.
again,lol,who were you the first time I wonder?
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Old 11-23-2011, 02:09 PM   #66
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Grossman would have lit up the Bills by the way as Beck couldn't muster a point. I hope I do get banned again, you're all idiots that have no idea what a good quarterback is, Rex is the best quarterback this team has had in the last 20 years and he gets benched for Beck. I've been a Redskins fan for 18 years but it's obvious that they really are the laughing stock of the league, just pitiful and sad.
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in a vacuum maybe, but my post related to how he would do in this system. the system is supposed to be soooo complex it takes years for a QB to integrate in it.

I certainly hope that our rookie would win the job outright in training camp next year; however, worst case senario for a 1st round QB as high as well be drafting would be starting by week 4-6. With that in mind, i highly doubt orton would perform better than grossman between now and week 4-6 of next year. and even if he could, would it really be worth taking a new stop gap in for such a short period of time?

Assuming Kyle doesnt "step down" after this season and remains our OC in 2012, id rather have grossman, an experienced QB in the system as our backup/mentor than Orton.

The one and only reason i'd think Orton would be a good idea is if we felt he had a legitimate shot to become our Franchise QB, meaning we could draft a rookie in the later rounds next year and use our early picks on something else.... like starting-caliber offensive linemen.
#1- I'd wager QB will be taken 1st round. If nothing else then to develope.

#2- It does make sense to take Orton cause god forbid the Rookie gets injured or doesn't start, you'll want a smarter more accurate QB.

#3- KS is going no where unless his father gets canned. No way will MS ruin that relationship, but MS might take over more of the OC duties while leaving the title to his son.
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Old 11-23-2011, 02:29 PM   #68
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Get him and let him be our vet...he's the upgrade over both Beck and Grossman for next year.
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in a vacuum maybe, but my post related to how he would do in this system. the system is supposed to be soooo complex it takes years for a QB to integrate in it.

I certainly hope that our rookie would win the job outright in training camp next year; however, worst case senario for a 1st round QB as high as well be drafting would be starting by week 4-6. With that in mind, i highly doubt orton would perform better than grossman between now and week 4-6 of next year. and even if he could, would it really be worth taking a new stop gap in for such a short period of time?

Assuming Kyle doesnt "step down" after this season and remains our OC in 2012, id rather have grossman, an experienced QB in the system as our backup/mentor than Orton.

The one and only reason i'd think Orton would be a good idea is if we felt he had a legitimate shot to become our Franchise QB, meaning we could draft a rookie in the later rounds next year and use our early picks on something else.... like starting-caliber offensive linemen.
A full offseason and I'd bet Orton would be more proficient than Rex will ever be in this offense. Rex simply isn't a starting QB in this league. Orton is flat out the better player.
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Chiefs grabbed Orton off of waivers. Bears are screwed.
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Old 11-23-2011, 05:15 PM   #71
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Re: Grossman, Beck or-ton?

He does not want to play for the Chiefs. Will get interesting.
Possible deal with the Bears?
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Trade deadline has come and gone. Orton either reports or he sits.
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anybody who picks him up now has to pay 2.5 million so I hope the skins dont waste the money on him.Texans need to pick him up in case leinart doesnt work out,plus whos Leinart backup if he gets hurt
Well Leinart just went out and it doesn't look good so that's why I thought they should go after orton but the chiefs would have got him anyway
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Old 11-30-2011, 05:31 PM   #74
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Re: Grossman, Beck or-ton?

Saw this and couldn't help but to laugh!

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Old 11-30-2011, 10:11 PM   #75
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Get him and let him be our vet...he's the upgrade over both Beck and Grossman for next year.

Rex and beck should not be even USED in the same sentence..

that said, I'd take my chances with Rex in this system over Orton coming in to learn it.
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