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Old 12-26-2011, 08:46 PM   #301
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Considering that DM5 had double digit leads at the half in 3 out of his 4 losses in Minnesota I'm cleary blaming DM5 for losing those games too. Since he was demoted, they haven't had a double digit lead at the half since, nor have they won the many more games that were promised once he was gone. Infact his replacement only won one game too, despite having some decent games, which proves it was the QB's fault and the team were contenders.

Bad teams are bad teams for a reason. That's because they're not accountable for their actions. Instead of taking the blame for their poor drafting and poor coaching, they have to delegate the brunt of the blame to a sacrificial lamb. In both of these cases it was DM5. Once DM5 left both of these situations, the teams got worse not better. Meaning the detractors didn't know what the **** they were talking about.
Did you see any of the games that "DM5" played for the Redskins or are you to busy being tooting his horn. Missed reads, dirt balls and plain old crappy passes and that stupid ass grin when he blew a pass, please do not come on here and tout D Mcnabb, he sucked in Philly and he sucked in DC, that was all proven by his performance in the first game as a Viking with a total of 39 yards passing. You must realize that he is not a finisher and I do not care what gameplan he was in or wanted he was not accurate enough in the long run to be an elite QB. Get off his johnson dude really.
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Just as many have been saying all along, the cupboard was pretty bare when MS took over.
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Actually.....I believe you will have to add Andy and the Eagles to your list of detractors? As he kicked his ass out first? So I guess there are actually 3 teams now that believe he is done? Maybe he is not.....29 teams left to try?
It appears he has become a....non-factor. To my knowledge he is playing...nowhere? Two teams now have taken a flyer on DM without success. His fault, their fault......Nobodies fault. They both apparently have no more interest in McBounce or any confidence in his ability to lead any team....successfully.
In hindsight, Andy Reed was the smart one. He....unloaded him first and we should have known by his indifference to ditching him "in division" that he had...No Fear of what he had left.
Yes, lets not forget about the Eagles. DM5 has been gone for 2 years now. He was clearly the one who was holding them back. Once he leaves, I'm sure they'll win the superbowl since all DM5 could do was get them in the playoffs and one minuscule superbowl appearance. Kevin Kolb was clearly better too. He was 2-3 as a starter in Philly, and 3 and 6 as a starter in Arizona. I think Andy Reid was right for running him out of town too since he helped the Cardinals and Eagles reach the playoffs.

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Did you see any of the games that "DM5" played for the Redskins or are you to busy being tooting his horn. Missed reads, dirt balls and plain old crappy passes and that stupid ass grin when he blew a pass, please do not come on here and tout D Mcnabb, he sucked in Philly and he sucked in DC, that was all proven by his performance in the first game as a Viking with a total of 39 yards passing. You must realize that he is not a finisher and I do not care what gameplan he was in or wanted he was not accurate enough in the long run to be an elite QB. Get off his johnson dude really.
Yes I watched the games where DM5 beat the 2 teams that represented the NFC in the championship game last year. Also, can you please tell me who was the last QB to pass for over 3200 for the Redskins? I'll help you out since you're unaware of the facts. It was Gus Ferotte who passed for 3,453 yards in 1996 who started all 16 games. Only 76 more yards than DM5 who only started 12 for us.

So I don't what measuring stick you're using to make your points, emotional assessments don't qualify as facts. The fact of the matter is he's outplayed every QB who's been here since Mark Rypien. Even in Brunells and Ferotte's best years here, they both only completed 57% of their passes. Even Rypiens phenomenal year in 1991 he only completed 59% of his passes, one percent higher than DM5's 58% in 2010. So when you say he's so inaccurate, that's more of an emotional statement than a factual statement. Emotions carry no weight when we're debating the facts.

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Old 12-26-2011, 11:19 PM   #306
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Well.....since there are 3 teams that have given him his....."walking Papers"....recently and currently 29 other teams that have expressed...No interest and several of those need a competent QB, it looks bad for DM.
I actually watched a starting NFL QB last night.."playing" that was coaching HS football a few weeks ago....but yet No call to DM....how can that be?
Actually, barring divine intervention, it appears DM's NFL ship has sailed. OR at least it appears that the collective coaching staffs of 32 NFL teams think so.
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Well.....since there are 3 teams that have given him his....."walking Papers"....recently and currently 29 other teams that have expressed...No interest and several of those need a competent QB, it looks bad for DM.
I actually watched a starting NFL QB last night.."playing" that was coaching HS football a few weeks ago....but yet No call to DM....how can that be?
Actually, barring divine intervention, it appears DM's NFL ship has sailed. OR at least it appears that the collective coaching staffs of 32 NFL teams think so.
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In some cases perception is everything in the NFL. Lets take Carson Palmer for example. A player who has lived off of perception his entire career. He's 50-55 as a starter, in the last 7 years he's thrown for 150 TD's, 22, 694 yards and 100 INT's and only 2 playoff appearances both resulting in losses. DM5 in the same time-span has thrown for 22, 899 yards, 143 TD's, 56 INT's and has a 9 and 7 playoff record. The only difference is Carson was given yet another chance, garnered 2 1st round picks for doing absolutely nothing and all while accounting for 35 interceptions in less than 2 seasons of play. It's sickening that he can land a starting job but DM5 can't.
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I actually commend your loyalty to DM...
and for the record, I would never have offered up what they did for CP. AND for the record once I recovered from having a dreaded Eagle on the B&G, I was very excited having McNabb on the Skins and REALLY regret it not working out (but that's another story).
However, I must say that there are things that we as fans are not privy to that NFL types know about DM other than the obvious to keep every team avoiding him like the plague. I wish him luck but I do not believe there is some type of conspiracy associated with McNabb. I think NFL coaches just think the dude is done.....
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Shannahan is washed up. Has been for over a decade.
It's hard for a coach to be washed up IMO, however mike def is not, we will continue to get better with him as HC
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Just a random draft thought. I know it'll be offensive heavy but i believe it might be the steal of the draft if Jayron Hosley CB VA Tech goes in the 2nd round. Big time playmaker w/ great coverage skills. He's mocked to go in the second. We need a QB and offense, but we also need a CB.
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Hardly, its just his ego is too big. He won super bowls with a great qb. Since then he thinks he can turn any qb into a great one but he hasn't. Since that time the qb has become more important.

Shanny needs at least an above average qb. The scheme Shanny started still works just look at Houston's offense the past few years. its pretty close in style. Schaub is a solid starting qb and has put up great numbers in the scheme.
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2012 NFL Free Agent alternatives:

Top Quarterbacks

Drew Brees (NO) - You must be playing Madden if you think you can lure him to help revive your struggling Redskins or Dolphins franchise-this Saint is off limits and fully locked into Who Dat nation for the rest of his career.

Matt Flynn (GB) - As far as realistic, long-term options go, Matt Flynn may be the most pursued man. In his lone regular season appearance, he moved the Packers offense up and down the field in a national game, and almost knocked off a Patriots team in their house. He lacks the ideal tools, but plenty of quarterbacks have done more with less. Flynn has been taught by and learned from the best in Green Bay and will be ready to see if his career holds more than a clipboard.

Alex Smith (SF) - Through the early portion of the season, the Niners have slowly opened up more of their offense for Alex Smith who has done nothing but make smart decisions. He's more efficient than productive, but another season or two under Harbaugh could really help him turn his career around completely. His return to San Francisco will rely upon his sustained success, improvement, and their confidence in second-rounder Colin Kaepernick.

Kyle Orton (DEN) - Orton is inconsistent and about as middle-of-the-road as they come at quarterback. He can spin the ball well, but doesn't make the quickest decisions-and sometimes not the best. He's not a quarterback that will truly impress anyone as a starter, but is comfortably one of the 32 best this league has to offer. The Broncos probably won't want him back for another round of mediocrity, but he's the type of player that will play himself into the starting lineup with a younger prospect consistently vying for his position.

Jason Campbell (OAK) - Campbell has been fairly efficient as the quarterback for the Raiders. With the Raiders finally appearing to turn the corner, they may look to retain Campbell's services on a short term deal as they continue to improve the rest of the roster and build a hard-nosed, winning environment. Unlike some of the other quarterbacks in this class, Campbell's greatest hindrance is not his skillset, but rather his confidence and vision in determining when to push the ball down the field.



Donovan McNabb (MIN) - McNabb's best years are behind him; and he's probably destined to play out the rest of his career as a back-up or a starter amongst the league's bottomfeeders. One will prolong his stay in the NFL, while the other will cut it short. One thing appears clear though. The Vikings have not had the success they anticipated coming into the year and are likely to turn to Ponder by the start of next year at the very latest. More realistically, McNabb will be riding the bench after the team's bye week.

The Rest:

Chris Redman (ATL)
Derek Anderson (CAR)
Shaun Hill (DET)
Drew Stanton (DET)
Brady Quinn (DEN)
David Garrard (FA)
Luke McCown (JAC)
Chad Henne (MIA)
Sage Rosenfels (MIA)
David Carr (NYG)
Mark Brunell (NYJ)
Kevin O'Connell (NYJ)
Kyle Boller (OAK)
Vince Young (PHI)
Charlie Batch (PIT)
Dennis Dixon (PIT)
Byron Leftwich (PIT)
Charlie Whitehurst (SEA)
A.J. Feeley (STL)
Josh Johnson (TB)
Rex Grossman (WAS)
Richard Bartel (ARZ) - Restricted
Max Hall (ARZ) - Exclusive Rights
Tyler Palko (KC) - Restricted
Brian Hoyer (NE) - Restricted
Chase Daniel (NO) - Restricted
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