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Old 12-29-2011, 11:33 AM   #331
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Since we're talking about the 2012 Skins ......

I don't like hearing Washington DC and Maryland making a push for the Redskins to move their home office from Ashburn, VA to DC or Maryland. The Skins have played in DC for years but their office/practice facility has always been in VA. I'll be pissed if they move out of VA.

Maryland has rhe Baltimore Ravens
DC used to have the Redskins games every Sunday

VA has nothing but the home office or practice facility. I don't know what I'll do if they move. Taking what little us VA fans have as a home team away from us will definitely leave me feeling like Colts fans of the 70's and Brown fans when their teams packed and left.... very bitter.
Why would it matter? It's not like you can go watch them practice, except the few that are open in training camp.
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Old 12-29-2011, 11:38 AM   #332
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So here we are, going into year 3 and we still don't have a QB. The Shanahan's have REALLY screwed up the QB situation here. Did they really think that Rex and Beck were the answers? Snyder has got to be steaming mad.
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So here we are, going into year 3 and we still don't have a QB. The Shanahan's have REALLY screwed up the QB situation here. Did they really think that Rex and Beck were the answers? Snyder has got to be steaming mad.
I don't think they ever thought Rex and Beck were the answers. I'm not sure they even thought McNabb was the long-term answer. I think what they thought was they loved, loved, loved Bradford but couldn't move up to #1 for him, and they liked Locker but not enough to do anything more than see if he was there at #10 last year.

So yeah they haven't gotten a QB, but they've worked on other areas of the team. This should (I'll even say will) be the offseason the Redskins get the QB they feel will be the answer for them.

I mean we're not going into year 3 yet, it's more that we're ending year 2
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Haven't heard anything
My thing is, if RG3 stays in school and T from USC is gone, Morris Claibourne would be a solid pick at corner. He would be instant upgrade for us at that position. With our first 2 picks Claibourne and Sanchise, we have effectively upgraded both positions and filled needs.
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Old 12-29-2011, 01:00 PM   #335
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This is why I'm starting to believe we're a snakebitten franchise. I don't know maybe some disgrutled native Americans put a hex on the team due to their disdian for our name. Anyways, just seems that players perform better once they leave D.C which shouldn't be the case. Rogers and A. Carter are just the latest examples, no pro-bowlers this year but the 2 we though we could do without end up making the pro-bowl. Hell, if Rogers would of played for us like the did for the 49ers this year we would of been a playoff bound team last year.

As for J.C, since when did he learn to complete the deep ball? I can't count how many time he missed open recievers deep, however he's made some amazing deep throws to Denarius Moore and Jacoby Ford in Oakland. Eventhough I wasn't a JC fan in his defense we never really built around him. Didn't get him a left tackle, didn't get him a solid core of recievers, all he had was a running back and a TE, which would rationalize why he turned into Captain checkdown when he played for us.
carter was great here until we moved him to OLB (just like he was a great DE in SF before they went 3-4 and tried to move him to OLB). rogers was always good here, he just couldn't catch so people thought he was awful, which just hasn't ever been true. I guess it's the same way people think hall is great because he catches a pick for every 20 deep balls he gives up.
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I don't think they ever thought Rex and Beck were the answers. I'm not sure they even thought McNabb was the long-term answer. I think what they thought was they loved, loved, loved Bradford but couldn't move up to #1 for him, and they liked Locker but not enough to do anything more than see if he was there at #10 last year.

So yeah they haven't gotten a QB, but they've worked on other areas of the team. This should (I'll even say will) be the offseason the Redskins get the QB they feel will be the answer for them.

I mean we're not going into year 3 yet, it's more that we're ending year 2
Thats a good summary of the QB odyssey so far imo. It is a bummer that after year 2 Shanahan and Allen still havent drafted/added their idea of a franchise QB yet. The logic is we wont really be ready to compete for a Superbowl until year 2 or 3 of a young QBs career so I think everyone is itching to get the clock rolling here.

But im glad they didnt draft a QB just to draft a one. I thought gabbert being available to us was a bounce of good luck and I would have drafted him but, now with just one season of hindsight, im glad i dont make the decisions. Shoot, I wanted to take Clausen the year before that.

Unfortunately, I feel like they have to pull the trigger this offseason. By year 4 i think shanahan needs a 10 plus win season. Im not sure Mike Shanahan can walk into year 3 of his contract without having hitched his wagon to a young potential franchise QB. I understand and appreciate his patience to get this key decision right, and that he only gets one real shot at it but at some point you gotta fire your weapon and put your fate and that of the skins in the hands of a young wide-eyed know nothing 22 year old.
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Matt Flynn may very well be the best QB entering free agency after the season. I see a big upside with his game, but I also see a bit of a downside with his game also. I think he could be a decent starter in the NFL though. As long as he's better than Grossman or Beck, I don't care about his downside. But I think depending on how much Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan want to give up for a young QB in the draft(RG3/Luck), the Redskins could go the free agency route and attain a passer.
I agree that the key is upgrading the QB position. We should not just sit and wait on a "franchise" QB, but rather we should be looking to get better there. I would much prefer winning 8 or 9 games next season than a repeat of what has happened this year. Even if we are able to draft RGIII, we don't really know if he is a "franchise" player. Redskins desparately need to improve OB play for the team to improve. I say try a different FA QB. Ditch Beck, sign Hoyer, Quinn, Henne, or somebody similar and let him compete with Grossman for the starting job. Groom RGIII if we can get him in the draft.
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I agree that the key is upgrading the QB position. We should not just sit and wait on a "franchise" QB, but rather we should be looking to get better there. I would much prefer winning 8 or 9 games next season than a repeat of what has happened this year. Even if we are able to draft RGIII, we don't really know if he is a "franchise" player. Redskins desparately need to improve OB play for the team to improve. I say try a different FA QB. Ditch Beck, sign Hoyer, Quinn, Henne, or somebody similar and let him compete with Grossman for the starting job. Groom RGIII if we can get him in the draft.
By the way, Redskins owe Beck $1,000,000 for next season, but I contend that the team should eat the money and send him packing. They found out he can't play, so I see no reason to keep him. Treat him just like Torain; we owed him just under $600,000 for 2012, but sent him packing anyway. I would characterize both releases as good moves.

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Old 12-29-2011, 06:53 PM   #339
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I don't blame JC for not "competing." He was, and is, better than each QB Mike and Kyle brought in. And...he was already in DC and didn't cost picks etc.
The humor on this board is sometimes overwhelming. JC is just as bad, or equal to Grossman. There I said it. JC made bad decisions, JC was not accurate on the long ball, JC needed all day to throw, JC might have been able to scramble better then Grossman I'll give you that, but otherwise his down side was similar to Grossmans and it would have taken him more then one offseason to learn the scheme... ie; McNabb. Grossman knew more then JC in regards to the scheme he just needed the WR's and OL to catch up to him. Now that they are close in understanding the scheme getting a better QB is in order.
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JC-to-McNabb was a lateral move. A foolish, costly lateral move, but still a lateral move. Had we kept JC, patience with him would be wearing very thin by now and he might have lost out to Grossman anyway, just like McNabb.
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Why would it matter? It's not like you can go watch them practice, except the few that are open in training camp.
Actually your right. But VA can't get a NFL team cause Snyder wants to claim it will take away from his revenue. So no pro team for VA. They have had their home office in VA for years. DC wants the team playing in DC again, I'd be ok with that. I guess even if they decided to make the stadium their home office but I'm getting tired of Maryland wanting to take everything. They have the Ravens. Let the Redskins stay in DC or VA.
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The humor on this board is sometimes overwhelming. JC is just as bad, or equal to Grossman. There I said it. JC made bad decisions, JC was not accurate on the long ball, JC needed all day to throw, JC might have been able to scramble better then Grossman I'll give you that, but otherwise his down side was similar to Grossmans and it would have taken him more then one offseason to learn the scheme... ie; McNabb. Grossman knew more then JC in regards to the scheme he just needed the WR's and OL to catch up to him. Now that they are close in understanding the scheme getting a better QB is in order.
Really makes me wonder why Gibbs was so fascinated with Campbell. When he was at Auburn, I could never see anything that would lead you to conclude that he would become even an average NFL QB. That's one that I will probably never understand.
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Given the choice I'd gladly take JC over Grossman. JC might not be a game breaker (neither is Grossman), but he's not going to kill you with INTs either. He's an efficient game manager that can win games in this league with a supporting cast. Sooner or later Grossman will kill you with a crucial INT or fumble.
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Really makes me wonder why Gibbs was so fascinated with Campbell. When he was at Auburn, I could never see anything that would lead you to conclude that he would become even an average NFL QB. That's one that I will probably never understand.
Gibbs thought very highly of Rypien and Williams. He saw qualities in them that he saw in Campbell.
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One guy that hasn't been mentioned is WR Malcolm Floyd out of Notre Dame... I know a lot of people on here are in love with Justin Blackmon... but Floyd is a monster. Great size, strong as an Ox, can leap, and has great hands.

I've liked him since last year.

When is he supposed to go? Late 1st?

I seriously doubt we end up with him... but I think he's going to be a good pro.
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