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Old 02-02-2012, 01:56 PM   #511
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I read it a little while ago, and I have to say I was surprised to read that part. I always thought Fred Davis would be considered as the best playmaker for offense. But then again, Davis would not have those opportunities to make plays if it was Beck throwing the ball.
When I heard the interview I got the impression, and I still do, that he was talking specifically about the QB position. Basically saying that Rex > Beck
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Old 02-03-2012, 11:56 AM   #512
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Kyle Shanahan: Rex Grossman was Redskins best playmaker in 2011 - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post

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I read it a little while ago, and I have to say I was surprised to read that part. I always thought Fred Davis would be considered as the best playmaker for offense.
Yeah, I was surprised to read that too but the more I thought about it makes some sense that he said it, even though I don't think its remotely true.

I've always felt that Rex was Kyle's guy and their mutually beneficial friendship was/is damaming for the team.
I'm really put off by his statement that Rex was the best playmaker.
I mean that's absurd, even apart from the turnover issue.
Despite airing it out far more then he should be allowed he only threw 16 TD passes and had a low 3rd down conversion rate.
That is in no way shape or form a 'playmaker' Rex cannot avoid the rush and cannot create a play after the defense 'wins' and the design play has failed.
I'm gonna assume that Kyle and not Mike was the primary impetus behind choosing Rex as our QB.
And Kyle chose easily one of the worst starting QBs in the league and Rex's QB play was the key factor in the losses. (13 games 25 turnovers more if you include all fumbles not just fumbles lost)

The greater feeling a got from Kyle's interview was a sense of subtle blameshifting that I feel from Kyle and Mike lately.
Earlier in offseason there seemed to be a Kyle driven PR move to dispel the notion that the offense was difficult to learn, but the irony is that Kyle's own statements on the reason for choosing Rex as his QB was because of the intricacies of the offense.

Then there has been Mike's talk of the lack of talent on the roster, which to me is basically an excuse for his own decision to half-way win now and not committing to a rebuild sooner.

Now there's a lack of 'playmakers' holding the offense back when in actuality the QB held the offense back more then anything else.
And its the QB that Kyle chose.

But Kyle and his perception massaging kinda rubs me the wrong way.(although its very smart)
People seem quick to defend and make excuses for him because they feel he is unfairly being criticized because of the perception of nepotism.
The "oh you don't like Kyle because he's Mike's son' thing.
But in fact I think Kyle is receiving the opposite treatment.
Despite his actual lack of success/production as an OC here he gets the benefit of the doubt.
Some normally critical people are wary of being excused of being unfairly critical of Kyle and are too happy with the regime at large to be critical in any manner for fear this regime will be gone. (and to be clear I am happy with the new structure/regime too)

I hope/think Kyle/Mike solve this QB problem this offseason/year because without much improved QB play Kyle's offense cannot succeed the way he calls it and until then we cannot win.
I believe they must solve the QB problem because its their only chance to stick around to complete the rebuild job.
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It's always interesting to see how people interpret things.
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Old 02-03-2012, 01:41 PM   #514
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When I heard the interview I got the impression, and I still do, that he was talking specifically about the QB position. Basically saying that Rex > Beck
Perhaps you are right.

I bolded the part that made me to think that Kyle meant Rex as the best playmaker for offense, not the QB position specifically.

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We’ve got to get some guys that can make some plays on their own, and turn a little shallow up into a big play and score some points,” Shanahan said. “When we took Rex out those three games, we stopped moving the ball, we stopped making plays. So I know Rex has got to do a lot better, he cannot turn the ball over like that if he wants a chance to win, but to give Rex some credit, he was also the best playmaker that we had on the field.
Regardless, like Matty said, everyone have their own interpretations.
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Old 02-03-2012, 01:53 PM   #515
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Kyle is just putting lipstick on a pig.
He better wake the efff up or our offense is gonna suffer till he gets fired.
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Old 02-03-2012, 02:42 PM   #516
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Perhaps you are right.

I bolded the part that made me to think that Kyle meant Rex as the best playmaker for offense, not the QB position specifically.

Regardless, like Matty said, everyone have their own interpretations.
I tended to focus more on the part where he said when we took Rex out those three games, we stopped making plays
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Old 02-03-2012, 04:07 PM   #517
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That makes sense.. Either way, it's moot to nitpick Kyle's comments about Rex now that we are searching for a new QB.
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Old 02-04-2012, 07:14 PM   #518
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1st Bradford
2nd Mike Adams OT
3rd BPA DF
4th Chris Rainey
4th Tommy Streeter
5th BPA DF
7th BPA DF


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D'Qwell Jackson
Paul Soliai
Calais Campbell
Tyvon Branch
Nicks or Grubbs

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Old 02-04-2012, 07:33 PM   #519
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1st Bradford
2nd Mike Adams OT
3rd BPA DF
4th Chris Rainey
4th Tommy Streeter
5th BPA DF
7th BPA DF


FA

D'Qwell Jackson
Paul Soliai
Calais Campbell
Tyvon Branch
Nicks or Grubbs
1st RGIII
2nd Janoris Jenkins
3rd Jurion Criner
4th Chris Rainey
4th Best OL
5th Best ILB
7th Best DL

FA
Eddie Royal
Paul Solai
Tyvon Branch
Ben Grubbs
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1st RGIII
2nd Janoris Jenkins
3rd Jurion Criner
4th Chris Rainey
4th Best OL
5th Best ILB
7th Best DL

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Eddie Royal
Paul Solai
Tyvon Branch
Ben Grubbs
Agree Eddie Royal forgot that one, IF RGIII falls to us a 6 it's a NO BRAINER but do YOU see him falling to 6, after the combine his value is going to SKYROCKET IMO.
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1st RGIII
2nd Janoris Jenkins
3rd Jurion Criner
4th Chris Rainey
4th Best OL
5th Best ILB
7th Best DL

FA
Eddie Royal
Paul Solai
Tyvon Branch
Ben Grubbs
I like this plan. It also is realistic.
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Criner is not going to be there in the third
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Does anyone know when the first Draft magazine/book comes out.
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Agree Eddie Royal forgot that one, IF RGIII falls to us a 6 it's a NO BRAINER but do YOU see him falling to 6, after the combine his value is going to SKYROCKET IMO.
Yes. Yes I do. My top 10 draft:

IND Luck
STL Kalil
MIN Claiborne
CLE Blackmon
TB Richardson
WSH Griffin III
JAX Reiff
CAR Couples
MIA Brockers
BUF Martin
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Criner is not going to be there in the third
The same was said about Hankerson. This is a deep WR draft and WR is the 2nd easiest position to fall. (Behind RB)
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