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Old 01-21-2005, 05:54 PM   #31
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i have to agree with sc on this one. clarett is not really that good and he is an idiot. he wasn't blackballed by the ncaa or the nfl. he broke the rules and lost his privilage to play , he could have waited and returned to college at a later date instead he tried to force himself into the nfl. i'm glad he was blocked, that would have opened the door for a downfall of the nfl.the players who enter the nfl " the right way " are young enough. i don't want the nfl to turn into the nba. if you wan't to see a high school basketball game just watch the nba, it's a f-ing joke. lets keep the nfl separate from the ncaa and high school football.i hope nobody drafts him.
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Old 01-22-2005, 07:35 AM   #32
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I think if Clarett is still aroud on day two take him in the 4th. He challeneged the collage and NFL rules to try and get into the big time early. I am glad he lost his case but someone was going to do it at some time it is not something to hang him over . We want to waste a top 10 pick on Williams who did the same thing but his Collage system was more despirate/softer on him to let him back in a little double standards don't you think ?

The other reason I want to pick Clarett up or draft for RB is we might be extremely thin here. Rock is unlikely to return, Simon looked like an old stash job on IR but still might not be back and Morton looks to be shown the door after the emergance of Antonio Bates on ST and his contract. That gives us Betts and Portis and given there respective styles and injury records you can rely on neither one all season. We could pick up a buldozer back in FA but i don't see it and Clarett will probably be shunned by the PR of many teams.

Also the FA and trade wires will may be alive by the presence of some very good backs Drougns,(sp?), James, Henry looking for a trade and so on and so on.
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Old 01-22-2005, 09:07 AM   #33
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I think if Clarett is still aroud on day two take him in the 4th. He challeneged the collage and NFL rules to try and get into the big time early. I am glad he lost his case but someone was going to do it at some time it is not something to hang him over . We want to waste a top 10 pick on Williams who did the same thing but his Collage system was more despirate/softer on him to let him back in a little double standards don't you think ?

The other reason I want to pick Clarett up or draft for RB is we might be extremely thin here. Rock is unlikely to return, Simon looked like an old stash job on IR but still might not be back and Morton looks to be shown the door after the emergance of Antonio Bates on ST and his contract. That gives us Betts and Portis and given there respective styles and injury records you can rely on neither one all season. We could pick up a buldozer back in FA but i don't see it and Clarett will probably be shunned by the PR of many teams.

Also the FA and trade wires will may be alive by the presence of some very good backs Drougns,(sp?), James, Henry looking for a trade and so on and so on.
I hope your point isn't that any of those 1000 yard rushers would be available and anxious to be a backup in Washington.

James is going to be franchised. Though I'm sure he wants some long term security, the $7 milllion-plus he's going to receive will keep him from becoming too despondent.

Henry wants a trade, because although he is being paid like a starter, he wants to showcase his value to make even more. The fact that the money (which we don't really have) isn't enough for him, and the carries (which we don't really have) are what he wants should keep him off the roster.

Droughns is a special case. Though this was a breakout year for him, he's not a young man - next season will be his sixth. In his first 4 seasons, he had a total of 40 carries, working primarily on special teams and as a fullback. He wants "paid", because he'll be 27 at the beginning of next season, and likely won't see another big payday in his career.

Now, if your suggestion is that the "second-tier" backs will be more spread out because those talents are out there, only time will tell. I'm curious as to why an entrenched starter (Portis) with a promising backup (Betts) would need pressing from an undersized malcontent who couldn't get in shape for workouts that could make him a millionaire last year (me... I mean Clarett).
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Old 01-22-2005, 09:45 AM   #34
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[QUOTE=bedlamVR] We want to waste a top 10 pick on Williams who did the same thing but his Collage system was more despirate/softer on him to let him back in a little double standards don't you think ?




there is no double standard, clarrett broke rules and was kicked off the team, williams tried to enter after a judge ruled that the nfl was discriminating. williams did not do anything wrong , so he was allowed back in school.
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Old 01-22-2005, 10:43 AM   #35
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Wolfeskins: What about Ohio State giving Clarett money whenever he needed it? Shouldn't they be disqualifyed from recruiting and Bowl game appearances for their actions?

And what do you mean ruining the NBA? You mean how LeBron James in his 2nd year out of High School is absolutely tearing it up? Clarette is a beast of a running back and wanting to come out of school early didn't strip him of that. He wanted to play in the big dance because he HAD NOTHING LEFT TO PROVE. Led his team to the national championship where they bent Miami over their knee because of Clarette. The kid can run, and I truly hope this thread can be revived in 3 years to see where he ends up.

Wolfeskins - Our nation is built on the court systems. If you feel something is wrong, you take it to them and see how they view it. They viewed, in one court, that it was wrong to keep people away from their profession, so both Clarette and Williams signed up. Now they both had to take time off, yet Clarette is the only bad guy? You said earlier you don't want the NFL to be ruined by young players. Make up your mind and stop demonizing Clarette. Do you even know what Clarette did to make you hate him? Do you know why he was blackballed from college? It was very simple - he lied when the police came. No one ever lies to police! So what you're telling me, is since Mike Williams didn't lie to a few cops that he's a better person and deserving of the NFL? Please. If you're going to make an argument, please make it congruent throughout the thread.
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Old 01-22-2005, 11:52 AM   #36
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My point about the 1000 yards rushers like Drouhgns etc was that RB poor teams like Miami etc might look there to fill gaps rather than take a chance on Clarett. i don't expect or hope that we pick up a high priced backup for Portis in FA but we do need someone hense what i said about Clarett in the forth round considering he was a top round prospect last year.

Williams has bust written all over him I would rather draft OL or DL and trade down or out of the first round for extra picks I hate WR picks in the first round.
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Old 01-22-2005, 11:59 AM   #37
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Williams did break the one rule that should ave prevented him going back to college football in hiring an agent I would take a long hard look at his charactor before we anoint him to sainthood.
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Williams did break the one rule that should ave prevented him going back to college football in hiring an agent I would take a long hard look at his charactor before we anoint him to sainthood.
Williams didn't play any college football this year for precisely that reason. He knew he was taking a risk, but chose to take it. He also has showed maturity in dealing with what is surely an unpleasant situation by not particularly badmouthing the NCAA or the NFL. Clarett has done both, though his problems with them are of his own making.

I don't know Mike Williams or Maurice Clarett, but by their actions on and off the field, I know which one I'd rather have in a Redskin uniform.
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Old 01-22-2005, 03:51 PM   #39
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If you're going to make an argument, please make it congruent throughout the thread



1st- i'm not sure what congruent means. 2nd-i'm not condoning ohio state giving money. 3rd- i don't hate clarrett. 4th- no clarrett is not a worse person for having lied to the cops but yes indeed he put himself in a worse position by doing so. 5th- lebron is a good nba player but the league is "overall" getting worse for bringing in so many players out of high school.
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congruent means the same. You said that the NBA is ruined by players such as Clarett entering, yet had no problem with Mike Williams, the same age, entering because all of a sudden it's legal. These kids are pro-players waiting. Why wait. Teams have to want them and chances are if they stay in college they'll get drafted higher and get a big salary, but if a freshman wins the national championship and is an absolute beast, then what else do they have to prove?
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Old 01-22-2005, 07:33 PM   #41
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i'm sorry if you misunderstood me. i didn't want williams to enter the draft at that time either. i just think williams handled the situation a lot better than clarrett did. i like the nfl rule that a person can't enter the draft until he's 3 years removed from his high school graduation.
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Old 01-22-2005, 11:15 PM   #42
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In my opinion, if a team is willing to draft them, they must be ready to play! I don't think it will be the same as with NBA where a player will come straight from High School unless he's amazing. Simply for scouting purposes. High school players will be late picks and probably make very bad choices for teams early since the jump between high school and college is large, and from college to NFL is just massive. I feel a majority of the big time players going to college aren't getting an education (see Manley) they're just there for football. Why not let em' get paid. The body can only take so much abuse.
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Old 01-23-2005, 01:40 PM   #43
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Well, thats not really the case, as teams draft for talent and potential...thats what has happened in the NBA...the level of play is much lower now because "talented" players who arent ready get reps in the games instead of knowledgeable, more polished players...look at any number of players, darko milicic, even our very own kwame brown...these guys take roster spots and playing time from guys who are ready to play now...I'm very glad we wont be seeing that happen in the NFL anytime soon...

Also, i dont know if this means anything to everyone here because i'm new and i havent seen whether you all respect or don't respect mel kiper, jr...cuz i know some people really don't...but he is of the opinion that clarett will fall to the late rounds, possibly even the 6th or 7th...he doesnt think clarett is a top 10 back in the draft at this point because hes out of shape and what-not
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Old 01-23-2005, 05:31 PM   #44
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maybe the3rd or 4th round,i would not take him with a 1 or 2.
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Old 01-23-2005, 05:51 PM   #45
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most experts had him going in the third round (earliest) had he been able to come out after his sophomore year. not sure if people remember, but he was way undersized for the professional level and he missed a bunch of time each year at OSU due to injuries- if he couldn't keep healthy in college, there's no way someone would have risked a first rounder on him... at least mcgahee proved he could play an entire year before getting hurt.
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