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Old 12-06-2011, 02:22 PM   #241
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What then are you telling your starters? "We have no hope for getting better this year so we are going to plug this unproven guy in to see what he's got." The coach knows what he has in Crompton he watches him practice on a daily basis. To turn over this offense to a rookie who has only been running the scout team ofense would be setting up the entire team for failure. Top it off with our starting left tackle being suspended and I assume that you wish watch the guy get killed.

While it is understandable that the season is at a loss in terms of playoff hopes there is still hope that those who aren't suspended get more time to gell together on both offense and defense. I am not opposed to giving some young guys a chance to shine and show what they can do on the field, but the football has to go through the QB on almost every offensive snap. You could jeapordize the growth of every other player on the field if that position isn't somewhat competent. Perhaps if Crompton were already running the offense with the 1's and 2's then I would probably say "give him a shot" however, giving a practice squad QB a baptism by fire is not exactly what I would consider a sound decision.

While I do not like Grossman and I know that he isn't our future he is the best option that we have right now. I just hope that we see more of good Rex than bad Rex for the rest of the season. I am willing to speculate that even Bad Rex is better than any form of Crompton right now.
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Old 12-06-2011, 02:36 PM   #242
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What then are you telling your starters? "We have no hope for getting better this year so we are going to plug this unproven guy in to see what he's got." The coach knows what he has in Crompton he watches him practice on a daily basis. To turn over this offense to a rookie who has only been running the scout team ofense would be setting up the entire team for failure. Top it off with our starting left tackle being suspended and I assume that you wish watch the guy get killed.

While it is understandable that the season is at a loss in terms of playoff hopes there is still hope that those who aren't suspended get more time to gell together on both offense and defense. I am not opposed to giving some young guys a chance to shine and show what they can do on the field, but the football has to go through the QB on almost every offensive snap. You could jeapordize the growth of every other player on the field if that position isn't somewhat competent. Perhaps if Crompton were already running the offense with the 1's and 2's then I would probably say "give him a shot" however, giving a practice squad QB a baptism by fire is not exactly what I would consider a sound decision.

While I do not like Grossman and I know that he isn't our future he is the best option that we have right now. I just hope that we see more of good Rex than bad Rex for the rest of the season. I am willing to speculate that even Bad Rex is better than any form of Crompton right now.
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You are absolutely correct!

Look around the NFL at the young QBs who got tossed into the fire this year. Not a lot of them have done very well. Possibly the "best looking" guy who came in after the year started has been Christian Ponder and I believe his record as a starter is 1-5. [Andy Dalton was the starter on Day One in cincy so he is not in the same situation as Crompton.]

TJ Yates has been OK in Houston. But Caleb Hanie and Tyler Palko and Blaine Gabbert have AWFUL. John Beck was as good as any of those three in Beck's three bed-wetting performances this year.

"Young and unscarred" might mean a guy is just waiting to get his opportuity to shine. It might also mean that he is not good enough to play in the league.

If the Skins put Crompton on the field and IF Crompton stinks out the joint, then the "Shanaplan" would come under even greater scrutiny than it has to date since the "QB-evaluating-genius" would have put 3 guys out there in a single year and none of them would have shown himself to be anything more than "adequate as a subsitute".
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Old 12-06-2011, 06:42 PM   #243
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What then are you telling your starters? "We have no hope for getting better this year so we are going to plug this unproven guy in to see what he's got." The coach knows what he has in Crompton he watches him practice on a daily basis. To turn over this offense to a rookie who has only been running the scout team ofense would be setting up the entire team for failure. Top it off with our starting left tackle being suspended and I assume that you wish watch the guy get killed.

While it is understandable that the season is at a loss in terms of playoff hopes there is still hope that those who aren't suspended get more time to gell together on both offense and defense. I am not opposed to giving some young guys a chance to shine and show what they can do on the field, but the football has to go through the QB on almost every offensive snap. You could jeapordize the growth of every other player on the field if that position isn't somewhat competent. Perhaps if Crompton were already running the offense with the 1's and 2's then I would probably say "give him a shot" however, giving a practice squad QB a baptism by fire is not exactly what I would consider a sound decision.

While I do not like Grossman and I know that he isn't our future he is the best option that we have right now. I just hope that we see more of good Rex than bad Rex for the rest of the season. I am willing to speculate that even Bad Rex is better than any form of Crompton right now.
And exactly what have the coaches been setting them up for the last two months? I see your point but what if just once we had a damn diamond setting over there that had "it" ? With a few games left might as well let him sling it around a bit, guys like Favre and Brady sittin around pickin boogers before they got a chance. Im not saying we got anybody like that and Crompton probably sux too but to me you might as well give him a fn shot. Hell they have given every other swingin richard a shot on O & D in the other positions.
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Old 12-06-2011, 06:45 PM   #244
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Crompton isn't going to play.
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And exactly what have the coaches been setting them up for the last two months? I see your point but what if just once we had a damn diamond setting over there that had "it" ? With a few games left might as well let him sling it around a bit, guys like Favre and Brady sittin around pickin boogers before they got a chance. Im not saying we got anybody like that and Crompton probably sux too but to me you might as well give him a fn shot. Hell they have given every other swingin richard a shot on O & D in the other positions.
If he had "it" wouldn't they at least take him off the practice squad? You might want a guy who has "it" to be available as a backup in game.
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Old 12-07-2011, 01:13 AM   #246
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What then are you telling your starters? "We have no hope for getting better this year so we are going to plug this unproven guy in to see what he's got." The coach knows what he has in Crompton he watches him practice on a daily basis. To turn over this offense to a rookie who has only been running the scout team ofense would be setting up the entire team for failure. Top it off with our starting left tackle being suspended and I assume that you wish watch the guy get killed.

While it is understandable that the season is at a loss in terms of playoff hopes there is still hope that those who aren't suspended get more time to gell together on both offense and defense. I am not opposed to giving some young guys a chance to shine and show what they can do on the field, but the football has to go through the QB on almost every offensive snap. You could jeapordize the growth of every other player on the field if that position isn't somewhat competent. Perhaps if Crompton were already running the offense with the 1's and 2's then I would probably say "give him a shot" however, giving a practice squad QB a baptism by fire is not exactly what I would consider a sound decision.

While I do not like Grossman and I know that he isn't our future he is the best option that we have right now. I just hope that we see more of good Rex than bad Rex for the rest of the season. I am willing to speculate that even Bad Rex is better than any form of Crompton right now.
Okay. That made lots of sense. But unless Mike Shanahan was planning all along for the offense to be inept, I really strongly disagree that he should not have placed Grossman and Beck atop the depth chart. The only logical explanation I can think of is Shanahan wanted to purposefully sabotage the season in order to draft within the top 5.
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Old 12-07-2011, 01:21 AM   #247
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Grossman was a inexpensive reclamation projects that bombed while Beck is an "upside" guy who showed he had no upside.

But had we pursued another one of the medicore pickings at the QB position in FA, we'd likely still be here, bitching about a shitty season. Even if we took a rookie, our defense would be much worse with out Kerrigan and that would cost us a couple games.
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Grossman was a inexpensive reclamation projects that bombed while Beck is an "upside" guy who showed he had no upside.

But had we pursued another one of the medicore pickings at the QB position in FA, we'd likely still be here, bitching about a shitty season. Even if we took a rookie, our defense would be much worse with out Kerrigan and that would cost us a couple games.
When your starting QB is making $810,000 then there's much to be desired. Just about all of the starting QBs- Vick, Brady, E. Manning, P. Manning, Schuab, Hassleback, Rivers, A. Smith, Bradford, Romo, Cutler, Brees, Flacco, Rothisberger, Kolb, Palmer, Sanchez, Cassel, Ryan, Stafford, Rodgers, Fitzpatrick, J. Freeman, and others have hefty salaries. A majority of these men were first round selections. So, you can might as well assume that if your starting QB is making under $1,000,000 then he's a damn bum.

And the Redskins starting QB is making $810,000 so that would imply that he's a bum.
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Rex grossman may be the worst starting QB in the NFL and that's not exaggerating.. Remember hanie isn't a starter
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Okay. That made lots of sense. But unless Mike Shanahan was planning all along for the offense to be inept, I really strongly disagree that he should not have placed Grossman and Beck atop the depth chart. The only logical explanation I can think of is Shanahan wanted to purposefully sabotage the season in order to draft within the top 5.
Sorry but that's just dumb. No coach goes into a season planning to lose as much as possible for the sake of the next draft. As much as we don't like it, Mike and Kyle thought that with an improved defense and his experience in the system Rex would be a competent QB. I doubt they sat down and said, hmm, hopefully Rex will turn the ball over at a rate of twice per game and we suck. No, they hoped his experience would curb his tendency to make stupid plays and be reckless or that Beck would turn whatever teams saw to make him a 2nd round pick into actual production. It didn't happen. Guess what, coaches miss on players ALL THE TIME! The moronic thinking of uninformed and clueless fans about this is damn near as embarrassing as this season has been.
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And exactly what have the coaches been setting them up for the last two months? I see your point but what if just once we had a damn diamond setting over there that had "it" ? With a few games left might as well let him sling it around a bit, guys like Favre and Brady sittin around pickin boogers before they got a chance. Im not saying we got anybody like that and Crompton probably sux too but to me you might as well give him a fn shot. Hell they have given every other swingin richard a shot on O & D in the other positions.
Let's say for arguments sake you're right and Cropmton has 'it'. What exactly do you expect to see from him without the team's best lineman and top receiving threat? Spoiler alert, not a damn thing. There is literally zero benefit from playing Crompton at this point or probably ever.
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Let's say for arguments sake you're right and Cropmton has 'it'. What exactly do you expect to see from him without the team's best lineman and top receiving threat? Spoiler alert, not a damn thing. There is literally zero benefit from playing Crompton at this point or probably ever.
And whats the down side of not giving him a shot? Wait...losing maybe?? hmm been doing that for 20 years around here. Keep polishing this turd and its going to shine.
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People have been killing Shanahan and Shanahan for not weeding out the bad QBs BEFORE they take the field. People have asked "why did he not see the flaws BEFORE they took the field?". Now they want to shove out another project. But when Crompton starts sucking balls(which he probably will), they'll bitch again about not weeding him out BEFORE putting him out there on the field.

In short, on the one hand, folks are demanding that Shanahan have impeccable foresight while demanding he start "upside guys" who probably will suck just as much as the two guys who have already played.
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When your starting QB is making $810,000 then there's much to be desired. Just about all of the starting QBs- Vick, Brady, E. Manning, P. Manning, Schuab, Hassleback, Rivers, A. Smith, Bradford, Romo, Cutler, Brees, Flacco, Rothisberger, Kolb, Palmer, Sanchez, Cassel, Ryan, Stafford, Rodgers, Fitzpatrick, J. Freeman, and others have hefty salaries. A majority of these men were first round selections. So, you can might as well assume that if your starting QB is making under $1,000,000 then he's a damn bum.

And the Redskins starting QB is making $810,000 so that would imply that he's a bum.
Crompton is worse than both, since his salary is lower than either Grossman or Beck.
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I have all the faith in the world that he would stink it up, but why not get a little live look at him maybe see if he is worth keeping later on down the road. Make the most out of a lost cause. Although I did see yesterday where the Skins are not mathmatically out of a division championship yet. But it was as complicated as Chinese math!!
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