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Old 12-05-2011, 08:36 AM   #61
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Re: Report: Fred Davis, Trent Williams suspended four games

1. Stupid, stupid, stupid. "When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways." 1Corinthians, 13:11. Time to grow up guys.

2. NFL - Chill out. After stomping on a guy's head, a two game suspension for a guy who has multiple in game unsportsmanlike behaviour. Twice that for a little recreational drug use, some of which clearly occurred when the players were locked out? C'mon man!

I get it. Rules are rules - if the players didn't like'em, should have negotiated to change them. On one hand, the owners are paying these guys top dollar and want to make sure there "employees" are able to perform at their peak. On the other hand, it's not like these guys are driving buses, trains or planes or are otherwise responsible for public safety - if their illegal activities either get them arrested or affect their on field performance, fine cut them and void their SB, etc.

Guys in their 20's do dumb things (particularly if they are rich and priviledged). Don't matter how strict or how loose the rules are - they will find a way to break them. If they get caught, however, they get the consequences. It's part of growing up.

As I said at first - Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.
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Old 12-05-2011, 08:56 AM   #62
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Poor judgement on their part. And they have to know that these tests aren't exactly random. I mean they are, but they aren't. Both Williams and Davis had "questionable" reputations (not saying drug related) coming into the league. Those guys are always more heavily scrutinized, tested, etc.
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Old 12-05-2011, 09:35 AM   #63
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We are not debating the validity of the rule or the fairness of the punishment. The point is both players are stupid.the rules are clear, this isnt the first time and next time they get caught its a year suspension.

They are young, stupid and didn't think this was going to happen (despite it being clear as day in the rules) . Dumb for Davis too considering its a contract year. At some pt both players need to realize hitting a blunt isn't worth the loss of millions of dollars. TW will lose 2m I think and davis just decreased his value during a contract year. Sure he's a beast but all teams are gonna put crazy clauses requiring him to pay salary back if he gets caught again. In the end its just stupid....

Sports Junkies made a good pt this morning. If you had random alcohol tests for your job, would you stop drinking. I would. Too much is on the line to continue a habit.
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We are not debating the validity of the rule or the fairness of the punishment. The point is both players are stupid.the rules are clear, this isnt the first time and next time they get caught its a year suspension.

They are young, stupid and didn't think this was going to happen (despite it being clear as day in the rules) . Dumb for Davis too considering its a contract year. At some pt both players need to realize hitting a blunt isn't worth the loss of millions of dollars. TW will lose 2m I think and davis just decreased his value during a contract year. Sure he's a beast but all teams are gonna put crazy clauses requiring him to pay salary back if he gets caught again. In the end its just stupid....

Sports Junkies made a good pt this morning. If you had random alcohol tests for your job, would you stop drinking. I would. Too much is on the line to continue a habit.
Yup, pretty simple. They know the rules and they effed up, again.
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2. NFL - Chill out. After stomping on a guy's head, a two game suspension for a guy who has multiple in game unsportsmanlike behaviour. Twice that for a little recreational drug use, some of which clearly occurred when the players were locked out? C'mon man!

1) Suh didn't stomp on the guy's head.


2) This was their THIRD offense. They had 2 other chances that went unpunished so this isn't like a first time offense deal.
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Old 12-05-2011, 09:59 AM   #66
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We have two other players who are quite close as well. One strike away from their 3rd I believe. I don't know which players, but I have some suspicions. I don't feel these are guys we'd really miss though
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We have two other players who are quite close as well. One strike away from their 3rd I believe. I don't know which players, but I have some suspicions. I don't feel these are guys we'd really miss though
That IMO is one of the problems with this, on a team with very little talent these are 2 of the talented players that the Skins cant afford to have sit out as a result of stupidity.
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Old 12-05-2011, 10:10 AM   #68
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Hope this doesn't become bigger than it already is. By that I mean Shanny has his work cut out for him to keep this team on track. If the O sucks as bad as it did a month ago, a very likely possibility w/these suspensions, he could easily lose the locker room.
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We have two other players who are quite close as well. One strike away from their 3rd I believe. I don't know which players, but I have some suspicions. I don't feel these are guys we'd really miss though

Somone mentioned ealier (mooby?) that for the 3rd offense it is a years suspension, but that TW and Davis only got 4 games because the third offense came in connetion with the lockout.

What seems a little odd to me is that you get 2 slaps on the wrist and then a whole years suspension, with nothing inbetween. Anyone know how true this is; first 2 times nothing happens, 3rd time youre suspended for a year?
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Re: Report: Fred Davis, Trent Williams suspended four games

Also i think the team has to really be prepared for the increased likelihood of being without David or TW for a whole year now.

Jamal Brown is now much less expendable
Chris Cooley's value to the team is much higher
Reaching for a QB in the first round when say Matt Kalil is there may be harder
OL has become an even bigger priority

And with the timing of this whole thing Im pretty surprised we didnt put a claim in for Jared Gaither. Considering everything, why not?
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Somone mentioned ealier (mooby?) that for the 3rd offense it is a years suspension, but that TW and Davis only got 4 games because the third offense came in connetion with the lockout.

What seems a little odd to me is that you get 2 slaps on the wrist and then a whole years suspension, with nothing inbetween. Anyone know how true this is; first 2 times nothing happens, 3rd time youre suspended for a year?
They got a pass for failing a test during or in the immediate aftermath of the lockout. Normally, the 2nd offense is a 4 game suspension, and the 3rd is a one year. These idiots are flirting with throwing their careers away.
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They got a pass for failing a test during or in the immediate aftermath of the lockout. Normally, the 2nd offense is a 4 game suspension, and the 3rd is a one year. These idiots are flirting with throwing their careers away.
Yeah really disturbing for sure. These guys are two of our most talented players, and only in their 3nd and 2nd years in the league respectively. They should be centerpieces of our offense for years to come... and they repeatedly fail drug tests? Man oh man.

Don't smoke weed guys. That's all. Pretty freaking simple.
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I wish I never read this thread. I was going to get some wead for the holidays and now I find out its a black thing. Thats not fair.
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Old 12-05-2011, 10:55 AM   #74
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Re: Report: Fred Davis, Trent Williams suspended four games

Suh got mad in a game and did a bad thing.

FD and TW ignored Federal and State Law as well as the NFL Substance Abuse Policy for a short period of "recreation" not worrying about the repercussions, to themselves their families, or their team. For a third time in their short careers.

Don't see the comparison there really. I don't care who you want to compare them to I'd cut them if I was emperor for a day.
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Good points from John Keim:

1. Before we get on to the reality check that Sunday provided, have to talk about Trent Williams and Fred Davis. If the reports are true about their suspension Ė nothing is official yet but the team expects to hear something soon (Monday perhaps, but not definitely) Ė Iím not sure anyone should be surprised. Before the 2008 draft, I talked to one draft expert/scout and asked him for three guys he would stay away from in the draft. Davis was one of them. He just didnít trust him or the direction he would go in his career, based on off-field concerns. After some early issues in his career, Davis was mostly clean. He had improved as a player this year and was becoming a playmaking tight end. And now this. In a contract year no less! (Notice the rare use of an exclamation point). How do you make that sort of mistake? How can a team trust a guy who failed a drug test at least three times (again, according to reports)? Good lord.

2. Meanwhile, we all know what Williamsí reputation was at Oklahoma when it came to his work ethic. It was subpar. They wondered if he was willing to put in the effort to be great. In fairness, he reported to camp in terrific shape. Now, Iím quite sure there are players in this league who have smoked marijuana who have been good players. There are players who drink and are stars, too. They just know when to do it and when not to. If itís habitual, thatís an issue. And Iím sure others are doing it now. But this also speaks about Williamsí maturation and decision-making. You want to be great? Then get serious. And if youíve already tested positive, wake up. If youíre in the NFLís substance abuse policy program and still testing positive? There are bigger issues. On Friday, Williams was talking about being a leader and now this. Thatís not leadership. Remember, this is the first guy this current regime drafted. Talented as heck, no doubt. He's played well the past three games. But talent alone only takes you so far. If you want to go far, that is. He's a team captain, too. Not sure how that happened.
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