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Old 12-29-2011, 10:56 AM   #136
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Re: The Big Rumor: If The Colts Take Luck, Then Manning Could Be...

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So Sanchez can complete 4 of 24 attempts longer than 20 yards to Blackmon? NO THANKS. I don't want any parts of Sanchez in DC. I posted this idea a couple of pages ago in this thread and didn't get any feed back on it. What about this?

The way Indy is playing they will beat Jacksonville this week. You know St. Louis will lose to San Fran. If Minnesota loses to Chicago then St Louis has the #1. That means they could trade us the #1 for Andrew Luck OR trade us Bradford and draft Luck themselves.

Some people on here are not very high on Bradford but look at the crap he has had for an offense in St. Louis. I would take him over Sanchez any day.
Ideally, I would like to:
1) swap this years 1st, give up a future 1st and 2nd for the #1 and get Luck.
2) trade for Bradford somehow.
3) DON'T trade for Sanchez.
This! All day long..
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Old 12-29-2011, 11:09 AM   #137
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Re: The Big Rumor: If The Colts Take Luck, Then Manning Could Be...

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speaking of 3rds... any chance we get a compensatory 3rd rounder for rogers?
0% chance.


It's based off the contract amount they sign with another team. The Raiders got a 3rd rounder for NA so no way we'll get anything remotely close seeing as he signed a 1 year 4mil deal.
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So Sanchez can complete 4 of 24 attempts longer than 20 yards to Blackmon? NO THANKS. I don't want any parts of Sanchez in DC. I posted this idea a couple of pages ago in this thread and didn't get any feed back on it. What about this?

The way Indy is playing they will beat Jacksonville this week. You know St. Louis will lose to San Fran. If Minnesota loses to Chicago then St Louis has the #1. That means they could trade us the #1 for Andrew Luck OR trade us Bradford and draft Luck themselves.

Some people on here are not very high on Bradford but look at the crap he has had for an offense in St. Louis. I would take him over Sanchez any day.
Ideally, I would like to:
1) swap this years 1st, give up a future 1st and 2nd for the #1 and get Luck.
2) trade for Bradford somehow.
3) DON'T trade for Sanchez.
I'm all over this! I'd take Bradford over Sanchez in a heartbeat!
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Old 12-29-2011, 12:38 PM   #139
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Normally you'll never hear me say this, but I can't wait until this weekend of football is over. Then we'll really know who the team picking #1 in the April draft is going to be, and we'll go nuts for the next few months determining how the trades and picks are going to go...lol!
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sanchez is meh for me. rather have bradford. or drew brees :P
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sanchez is meh for me. rather have bradford. or drew brees :P
Who wouldn't want Brees? Although with his age, and where we are I'd probably pass...but I'll take his backup.

I'll take Bradford over Sanchez but I don't think the gap between the two is as large as most believe, but the asking price would be
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Who wouldn't want Brees? Although with his age, and where we are I'd probably pass...but I'll take his backup.

I'll take Bradford over Sanchez but I don't think the gap between the two is as large as most believe, but the asking price would be

Brees and Manning are great now by the time we put the pieces around them to make them work they will be on the decline. you only want manning or brees if you are a 49ers type team.
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speaking of 3rds... any chance we get a compensatory 3rd rounder for rogers?
its about how many FA's you lose vs how many you sign (not re-sign ala grossman) primarily, then contract details etc.

we signed bowen, OA, and cofield (all big contracts), we lost rogers... we're +2, so it's doubtful we'll get much of anything this year.
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Keith Price QB Washington is putting a show and out performing RGIII.
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Who wouldn't want Brees? Although with his age, and where we are I'd probably pass...but I'll take his backup.

I'll take Bradford over Sanchez but I don't think the gap between the two is as large as most believe, but the asking price would be
It's a pretty small gap, but I think they both profile as no. 2 QBs in the 2012 season.

It would be great if we could acquire a 25 or 26 year old QB with 2 or 3 years experience as a starter on your bench in case you needed to bring someone in cold and win a big NFC East game. That would be a huge asset to any team. I just don't think either profiles as much more than a developmental starter at this point. They both exhibit limited quarterback skills right now.

I think they would both sit behind Grossman here. But that is a huge improvement over Beck, who is basically worthless, to have someone who you can turn to that is both young and has been around the block before.
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Re: The Big Rumor: If The Colts Take Luck, Then Manning Could Be...

IDK how anyone can judge Bradford when he has had the worst talented team in the NFL by far around him.
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RGIII will be a blessing if he comes here!!
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IDK how anyone can judge Bradford when he has had the worst talented team in the NFL by far around him.
No one had a problem doing that with Russell.
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When Balzer makes the argument that Bradford and Griffin were similar college passers, he's correct, but it's incomplete. That's like saying that Tebow and Bradford are really similar passers at the pro level. Which is also true, but it ignores all the differences between them. Or what makes one passable while the other wins fewer than 1/3 of his games.

If someone will offer the Rams a first round pick for Bradford, it would be negligent of them to not trade him. It doesn't matter whether he goes and has great success elsewhere or not. The point is: you're never going to be able to get value on him later. And if you hire the right GM and coach, you won't be picking this high again for a long time.

And I totally get the argument that Griffin will fail if he's given the same amount of help as Bradford. I get that. I've made that argument about the Redskins and their QB situation. But again: if you're getting a top 40 pick for Sam Bradford now? You take it and laugh all the way to the bank. Even if Bradford turns out okay elsewhere, you've still won the trade.
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Re: The Big Rumor: If The Colts Take Luck, Then Manning Could Be...

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When Balzer makes the argument that Bradford and Griffin were similar college passers, he's correct, but it's incomplete. That's like saying that Tebow and Bradford are really similar passers at the pro level. Which is also true, but it ignores all the differences between them. Or what makes one passable while the other wins fewer than 1/3 of his games.

If someone will offer the Rams a first round pick for Bradford, it would be negligent of them to not trade him. It doesn't matter whether he goes and has great success elsewhere or not. The point is: you're never going to be able to get value on him later. And if you hire the right GM and coach, you won't be picking this high again for a long time.

And I totally get the argument that Griffin will fail if he's given the same amount of help as Bradford. I get that. I've made that argument about the Redskins and their QB situation. But again: if you're getting a top 40 pick for Sam Bradford now? You take it and laugh all the way to the bank. Even if Bradford turns out okay elsewhere, you've still won the trade.
I tend to agree and think a Bradford trade would make the most sense for the Rams and Redskins.

1) We wouldn't have to give up three 1sts and two 2nds to get Luck. We would have to give up most likely just one 1st.
2) St. Louis picks up an additional 1st and still gets the #1 prospect QB who is supposed to be so great in Luck.

Result: We would end up with a talented young QB with a lot of upside for minimal picks and the Rams would still have their franchise QB and gain a pick. WIN-WIN.
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