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Re: The Big Rumor: If The Colts Take Luck, Then Manning Could Be...

I agree with the few that are tired of the team picking up other teams trash. But.... I was one of the fans who didn't think Sanchez would pan out and he actually supprised me with how well he did with the Jets. Plus he's young still. My only concern is the Jets don't seem to be getting better each year and that could be any number of problems. Mostly probably injuries.

My concern is why can't the Skins ever pick up a young QB in the draft and develope him into a champion? I'd prefer someone who could be molded into the Skins scheme vs. having to re-train a QB and having to hear how the coaching staff has to get rid of bad habits (ie; McNabbs footwork).

When I think of P.Manning and a possible trade I cringe but again if we were to get him cheap from Indy and draft a QB who could learn under P.Manning would be awesome. I'd also expect the team to find a way to utilize his crazy play calls and crazy changing of play calls. That alone would be worth it's weight in gold. When we are ready to make a change to a younger QB, hopefully after a SB, then we could offer a coaching job to P.Manning in order to keep his skills with the team.
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Re: The Big Rumor: If The Colts Take Luck, Then Manning Could Be...

This is not my worst nightmare, but it's on the list. Since I did not see McNabb's name in the thread, I can safely say that I prefer every QB mentioned in this thread ahead of Sanchez. New York papers have been running stories about how Sanchez has regressed this season and how Jets need to start over at QB position. Please do not encourage talk of Redskins becoming the Jets "dumping ground" for an over-hyped and over-valued QB.
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Sanchez has a good running game and good wrs and still sucks. I don't want him no where near this team.
For some reason I thought he has done well in years past taking the team to the play offs, but this year I thought there were a few injuries to their WR's and they had to go with older vets for some reason. Also Sanchez I don't think is being used as he has in the past. I thought he scrambled more in past years which made him a threat as well to run the ball and this year I just haven't seen him running as much. No don't go off showing me stats ... I'm just saying I don't recall seeing him running as much as he has in the past.

I'm not a P.Manning fan, but I'll admit he's really good at confusing the defense. Something that would be invaluable to the Skins, possibly lead the team to a SB, and hopefully Manning would know he's to help develope our young QB for the future with an understanding we would want to retain him for a coaching job. I'd have to imagine he would be interested in becoming a coach down the road when he can't play anymore. Heck I'd hire him to be a coach now.
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Re: The Big Rumor: If The Colts Take Luck, Then Manning Could Be...

Both Bradford and McCoy have major issues holding onto the ball while in the pocket, but if I had to choose one over the other and put him behind the Redskins offensive line, it would be Sam Bradford.

Colt McCoy is 6'1" and Sam Bradford is 6'4", that would be a huge difference playing in the NFC East where you'd face some of the more prolific pass rushers twice a year. Rex at 6'1" has also had his share of batted down passes playing in the NFC East And if I'm not mistaken, McNabb at 6'2" had some issues with getting balls batted down during his time here.

Looking at their respective stat lines over the first two years, the amount of time they've turned the ball over, their QB rating are nearly the same, both play for horrible teams, it's just really difficult to say who's definitively a "project" and who isn't. So I'd go with the guy more physically promising, a year younger, and has shown some flashes of being a quality NFL quarterback.
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Both Bradford and McCoy have major issues holding onto the ball while in the pocket, but if I had to choose one over the other and put him behind the Redskins offensive line, it would be Sam Bradford.

Colt McCoy is 6'1" and Sam Bradford is 6'4", that would be a huge difference playing in the NFC East where you'd face some of the more prolific pass rushers twice a year. Rex at 6'1" has also had his share of batted down passes playing in the NFC East And if I'm not mistaken, McNabb at 6'2" had some issues with getting balls batted down during his time here.

Looking at their respective stat lines over the first two years, the amount of time they've turned the ball over, their QB rating are nearly the same, both play for horrible teams, it's just really difficult to say who's definitively a "project" and who isn't. So I'd go with the guy more physically promising, a year younger, and has shown some flashes of being a quality NFL quarterback.
I'd like to think some of what your concerned about could be fixed with better protection and giving the QB room to move around the pocket or rolling him out.
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Both Bradford and McCoy have major issues holding onto the ball while in the pocket, but if I had to choose one over the other and put him behind the Redskins offensive line, it would be Sam Bradford.

Colt McCoy is 6'1" and Sam Bradford is 6'4", that would be a huge difference playing in the NFC East where you'd face some of the more prolific pass rushers twice a year. Rex at 6'1" has also had his share of batted down passes playing in the NFC East And if I'm not mistaken, McNabb at 6'2" had some issues with getting balls batted down during his time here.

Looking at their respective stat lines over the first two years, the amount of time they've turned the ball over, their QB rating are nearly the same, both play for horrible teams, it's just really difficult to say who's definitively a "project" and who isn't. So I'd go with the guy more physically promising, a year younger, and has shown some flashes of being a quality NFL quarterback.
You know, that's a really good argument. I'd still go McCoy, but this is very well stated 12th.
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I'm really not a fan of Sanchez at all. But perhaps a change of scenery would do him good, and he's not as bad as some people make him out to be. But he's far from being an elite franchise QB too. I'd really have mixed feelings if we got him. I guess a lot would depend on what it would take to get him. Can we at least draft a guy to develop too??
I agree with this, but i think this 2nd round price tag being thrown around in this thread is to high. He has done nothing in his career to still be worth a #2. Maybe a #3...but that's about it.
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I agree with this, but i think this 2nd round price tag being thrown around in this thread is to high. He has done nothing in his career to still be worth a #2. Maybe a #3...but that's about it.
I wouldn't be too troubled if the Redskins sent a third rounder for Mark Sanchez. I think that's probably not a great use of a third round pick, but you're getting more return on that pick than if you spent it on a quarterback in the third round. Mark Sanchez isn't a great QB, but I would take him rest of career over say, Terrelle Pryor (though I think it's close).

The biggest issue with Sanchez is this: he takes up $8.5 million of your 2012 salary cap, and it would be even worse if you extended him to save $4 million in cap dollars. So he's limiting your ability to use your cap room to improve in free agency, even at the cost of a third round pick.

If you think you can win in either 2012 or 2013 with Mark Sanchez at QB, then I would trade a third rounder for him. But if anyone thinks he's a long term answer, I disagree.
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Re: The Big Rumor: If The Colts Take Luck, Then Manning Could Be...

In both cases of Manning & Sanchez, if their former teams can't find uses or success with them then why would Our Washington Redskins? I'll consider them options only if the prices are negligible.

Don't come to a dead end with these guys & expect that Our Skins will just swoop in to take them for premium prices.


I'd only entertain talking trade for a 5th round pick and below.
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In both cases of Manning & Sanchez, if their former teams can't find uses or success with them then why would Our Washington Redskins? I'll consider them options only if the prices are negligible.

Don't come to a dead end with these guys & expect that Our Skins will just swoop in to take them for premium prices.


I'd only entertain talking trade for a 5th round pick and below.
I agree with you on the 5th round pick,however the skins and Shanahan have shown the league over and over again they will overpay to get what they want.What did Shanny give up to get Mcnabb? A second and a 4th I think.I can easily seeing them giving up a 1st rounder to get Sanchez,hopefully theyve gotten smarter and they wont but it wouldnt surprise me
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I like Bradford, but must admit that he looks injury prone to me. I've seen tackles where his knees or ankles have been bent and twisted in ways that left me wondering if he could get up and continue. His rush awareness is such that you wonder if he is a serious injury waiting to happen. Seems a little bit like Rex in that rushers are on him before he realizes that he needs to react. Internal clock malfunctions frequently.
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I agree with the few that are tired of the team picking up other teams trash. But.... I was one of the fans who didn't think Sanchez would pan out and he actually supprised me with how well he did with the Jets. Plus he's young still. My only concern is the Jets don't seem to be getting better each year and that could be any number of problems. Mostly probably injuries.

My concern is why can't the Skins ever pick up a young QB in the draft and develope him into a champion? I'd prefer someone who could be molded into the Skins scheme vs. having to re-train a QB and having to hear how the coaching staff has to get rid of bad habits (ie; McNabbs footwork).

When I think of P.Manning and a possible trade I cringe but again if we were to get him cheap from Indy and draft a QB who could learn under P.Manning would be awesome. I'd also expect the team to find a way to utilize his crazy play calls and crazy changing of play calls. That alone would be worth it's weight in gold. When we are ready to make a change to a younger QB, hopefully after a SB, then we could offer a coaching job to P.Manning in order to keep his skills with the team.
Cause our front office doesn't work that way. They always want the quick fix. They've gotten better lately but you know their going to go out and try and trade for someone. If it's Bradford then I'd be ok with it cause he's young and looks the part. He's an accurate passer. But if it's McCoy or Sanzhez then they've proven that they still don't have a clue.
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I agree with you on the 5th round pick,however the skins and Shanahan have shown the league over and over again they will overpay to get what they want.What did Shanny give up to get Mcnabb? A second and a 4th I think.I can easily seeing them giving up a 1st rounder to get Sanchez,hopefully theyve gotten smarter and they wont but it wouldnt surprise me
How is one example "over and over"? And how often have we traded a first round pick in recent years. Plus Kolb was traded for a 2nd and a young starting DB, and hadn't accomplished anything really. Ditto similar situations for Whitehurst and Schaub. The rules are different when it comes to QB. Though it seems the less you've accomplished as an NFL QB, the more valuable you are.

I personally wouldn't be against a 3rd and conditional 2013 for Sanchez. Draft someone like Harnish or Moore late to be your long term project. Keep Rex as the veteran backup, if he stays
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"According to ESPN Stats & Information, Sanchez entered the day having completed just 10 passes more than 20 yards down field and was 4-of-24 when targeting Santonio Holmes and Plaxico Burress on deep passes."

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