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Old 12-25-2011, 10:40 PM   #31
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Re: Jim Haslett's inconsist defense

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I like the inconsist part.
Haha yeah, the Skins D is as inconsistent as the spelling in the OP.

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Old 12-25-2011, 10:53 PM   #32
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Re: Jim Haslett's inconsist defense

I'm not saying get rid of Jim Useless. Just never wanted him to begin with.


His defensive track record is less than stellar except when he was a player.

Defensive rankings and statistics aside, what was our W-L record last year, and what is it again this year? Anyone? Anyone?


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Keep JH he's done a solid job
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Old 12-26-2011, 12:03 AM   #34
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I'm not saying get rid of Jim Useless. Just never wanted him to begin with.


His defensive track record is less than stellar except when he was a player.

Defensive rankings and statistics aside, what was our W-L record last year, and what is it again this year? Anyone? Anyone?


Yea! That's my point!
Really? Gonna blame our d when they weren't the ones turning the ball over 2 to 3 times each game.
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Old 12-26-2011, 12:23 AM   #35
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I would give Haslett another year. However, the team has invested an awful lot of resources on the defensive side of the ball. If the team is able to field a competent offense, Haslett needs to have his defense step up next season. If not, he should not be back in 2013.
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:51 AM   #36
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Not a big fan of JH but we just don't have the players to be a great defense. I think the Cofield at NT has been somewhat of a failure. Orakpo is overrated. Kerrigan is a good player, but not great. He's not explosive like the rookie on SF. Even with LL the safties can't cover, and the corners are soft. The defense needs 3 elite players somewhere...whether it's a NT or end with JJ coming back or corner. We just need some elite players, not just average and slightly above average ones. Right now we don't have them.
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:52 AM   #37
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Did we cut Orakpo and Kerrigan? I just don't like the way Hasslet looks, he has a dumb ass look on his face all the time so therefore I think he is but that's just my ho.
LOL! He does look kinda lost out there!
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Old 12-26-2011, 10:06 AM   #38
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they had a really bad game yesterday, Wilson was terrible at Corner, Riley was out of position a ton, Reed was just Reed, not a starting saftey in the NFL. OJ at safety seemed very slow again...Safety is a much more of a concern that CB going into the offseason.

Defense was bad yesterday period.
Did this guy just fall off a cliff or something? He's been awful this year. Either he's playing hurt or he just can't play.
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Old 12-26-2011, 11:22 AM   #39
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I'd give JH another year. The D has improved a lot this year, we just need to add a few more pieces and let this thing really come together.
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Old 12-26-2011, 12:07 PM   #40
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Not a big fan of JH but we just don't have the players to be a great defense. I think the Cofield at NT has been somewhat of a failure. Orakpo is overrated. Kerrigan is a good player, but not great. He's not explosive like the rookie on SF. Even with LL the safties can't cover, and the corners are soft. The defense needs 3 elite players somewhere...whether it's a NT or end with JJ coming back or corner. We just need some elite players, not just average and slightly above average ones. Right now we don't have them.
I kinda agree with you here. I, too, think Rak is overrated and Cofield has been a bit underwhelming but by no means has he been a bust.

On the whole, I think we have more pieces than not. Right now we're ranked 13th in total defense and quite frankly, I'd take the Skins defense over the defenses ranked 12-10. My point is, I don't think we're that far off.

One thing people tend to not take into consideration when grading the Redskins defense, we have an absolute turnover machine in Rex Grossman, which tends to favor the opponent in time of possession and/or starting field position.

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Old 12-26-2011, 04:53 PM   #41
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One of the few games where the Defense lets us down and we want to fire the coach. Psssh.
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Old 12-26-2011, 07:10 PM   #42
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[QUOTE=#56fanatic;870239]So Vick, Cam and who ever else you listed hasn't done the same stuff to other teams they have played against. Vick and Cam are rare QB's that you have to account for both as a runner and a passer. I live in Charlotte and Cam gives every single team they play trouble. Haslett is not the problem. What else to you want dude. 32nd ranked to 10th over all ranked. I just dont get it. Dont blame him for a loss or inconsistant play. Big plays that I can remember for example against Dallas were individual players getting beat or screwing up.

I can't believe people want to get rid of a coach that has visibly made our defense one of the top defenses in the NFL. mind boggling.[/QUOTE]

This (bolded) is an absurd statement. We are far from a top defense. Week to week were ranked somewhere between 10 and 15 but it's irrelevant...the gap between the top 5 ranked defenses (Steelers, Texans, Ravens, Niners and Jags) and our defense could be compared to the gap between college and pro. We just allowed the lowly, pathetic Vikings score 30+ points and there was absolutely no indication the onslought would have slowed down...if anything they we're gaining more traction. Every one of those top 5 defenses would have stuffed the Vikings to a couple field goals and maybe a touchdown, maybe.

But your whole post completely ignores the fact (and basis for the thread) Haslett cannot gameplan for mobile QBs. It's been the same through his career, another season isn't going to change that.

The real problem; however, is that his (inconsistent) defense is outperforming Mike and Kyle's offense. As a GM, franchise etc it's a bit tricky to fire a coordinator when the HC is taking a poop on the field 10 or 11 games a season. I think the franchise is at risk (once again) of not looking like a serious organisation if Mike remains the HC into another season. We're further, arguably much further based on your interpretation of Mike's history, from securing a franchise QB and the other parts of the offense are really no better than what he inherited. Based on a real results evaluation the HC should be packing his stuff a week from now, but Snyder chose (two years ago) to put himself in this awkward position of dealing with a legacy guy who in all likelihood is coaching out of spite (kicked out of Denver) rather than passion for the game.
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Old 12-26-2011, 07:20 PM   #43
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Re: Jim Haslett's inconsist defense

I'm not big on JH either. But he has done a solid job. There is nothing in his body of work with the Skins that suggests he should be fired.

Pros: He converts a good 4-3 to an above average 3-4 in 2 years. He has gotten our sacks and turnovers up.

Cons: Scheme has lacked much surprise relying on blitzes for sacks. Defense lacks closing ability, both Cowboy games, Minnesota, NY jets, and Miami game this year the defense folded in the 4th.
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But your whole post completely ignores the fact (and basis for the thread) Haslett cannot gameplan for mobile QBs. It's been the same through his career, another season isn't going to change that.
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Old 12-26-2011, 07:52 PM   #45
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Please see D. Hall and Mr. Doughty for any questions regarding our incosistant defense. All other questions will be answered if you push 7 on your keypad.
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