What is Andrew Luck Worth?

mredskins · 12-29-2011, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

For some reason I still feel we will get Luck or RGIII.

I have that itch too, like MS has to make splash and this is his chance.

CultBrennan59 · 12-29-2011, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mredskins

I have that itch too, like MS has to make splash and this is his chance.

Exactly

My QB rankings/options

1. Luck
2. RG3
3. Bradford
4. Kellen Moore
5. Foles
6. Flynn
7a. Tannehill
7b. Landry Jones
9. Lindley
10. Cousins
11. Sanchez

If Peyton is really Available and they get the first pick, then I would put peyton after sam bradford before kellen at 4, bad neck and all.

BigHairedAristocrat · 12-29-2011, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Exactly

My QB rankings/options

1. Luck
2. RG3
3. Bradford
4. Kellen Moore
5. Foles
6. Flynn
7a. Tannehill
7b. Landry Jones
9. Lindley
10. Cousins
11. Sanchez

If Peyton is really Available and they get the first pick, then I would put peyton after sam bradford before kellen at 4, bad neck and all.

That you have sanchez below Flynn, who's barely played, and all those rookies is a joke. Sanchez had won playoff games. half those rookies won't even be 2nd rounders

skinsfaninok · 12-29-2011, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

For some reason I still feel we will get Luck or RGIII.

I really see Luck being a Redskin come april.. I think we give up what we need to get to number 1

Chico23231 · 12-29-2011, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by celts32

Okay then yes...that is where we disagree. I like RG3 much more then you do. My rankings right now are:
1. Luck
2. RG3
3. Bradford Trade
dropoff
4. Tannehill
5. Jones

The problem we have now which we always seem to have is that we will not get Luck or RG3 without a trade up and we won't draft Tannehill or Jones without a trade down. And Bradford only comes into play at all if the Rams end up picking #1.

Agree and actually think Jones, Foles and maybe some others better than Tannehill.

CultBrennan59 · 12-29-2011, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

That you have sanchez below Flynn, who's barely played, and all those rookies is a joke. Sanchez had won playoff games. half those rookies won't even be 2nd rounders

It's off of potential. I'll take flynn who showed he's been great in one start than Sanchez whose running game, OL, WR's, and Defense have taken him to all those wins in the playoffs. Sanchez has been in the league in 3 years, and hasn't showed me anything that makes me go, 'he's a great qb that i'd want on my team.' No no. And the Rookies are on upside/potential.

BigHairedAristocrat · 12-29-2011, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

It's off of potential. I'll take flynn who showed he's been great in one start than Sanchez whose running game, OL, WR's, and Defense have taken him to all those wins in the playoffs. Sanchez has been in the league in 3 years, and hasn't showed me anything that makes me go, 'he's a great qb that i'd want on my team.' No no. And the Rookies are on upside/potential.

if youre looking at potential, you need to compare their potential now vs. the potential that sanchez had when he was in college. otherwise you arent comparing apples ot apples. Other than Luck, i dont think any of the others will come close to the level of success that sanchez has already had. you also have to consider how unbalanced the jets offense is.

30gut · 12-29-2011, 04:17 PM

Imo the draft is about probability as much as it is about evaluation.
Anytime you pass/give away a pick or multiple picks to make 1 pick you're reducing the opportunities to improve your team or a acquire a great player.
In short 4 chances are better then 1 chance.

Unless of course Luck will be the last great QB prospect ever.
Case in point trading up: the Jets traded up to get Sanchez but don't you think they would have been better off drafting Freeman and keeping the picks they traded?

It doesn't make sense to trade picks for Luck or anyother draft pick unless you believe in that player is all you need to win the Super Bowl.

CultBrennan59 · 12-29-2011, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

if youre looking at potential, you need to compare their potential now vs. the potential that sanchez had when he was in college. otherwise you arent comparing apples ot apples. Other than Luck, i dont think any of the others will come close to the level of success that sanchez has already had. you also have to consider how unbalanced the jets offense is.

Sanchez was at USC for 1 1/2 years as a starter (total). Some of these guys have started in College for atleast 2 years to the max of all 4 years. Some of these guys had little to no talent around them. Sanchez played at USC with great OLineman, Great defenses, and Great receivers (sound familiar) just like he does with the Jets. Kellen moore has had some good players around him, but he's been smart and consistent, this year he lost a lot of his weapons and is still consistent. Nick Foles has an awful team around him, with only one good WR. Tannehill--who I don't like, but still has potential--has a good WR and RB, and a solid defense, but hasn't played but 2 years, he's more athletic than sanchez and could or could not be better than him, I'd rather get a guy who has unknown potential over a guy whos been good or medicore on great teams than bring him here to this team that is poor.

NC_Skins · 12-29-2011, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What if you could, and listen this is a longshot I know, but what if you could trade for Luck without giving up your first round pick in 2012. The Rams are known to be in need of an LT to protect their QB and a 4-3 DE to help Chris Long.

So Trent Williams, Brian Orakpo, and some later year first round picks for Luck at #1. At #7 you can maybe move down a bit and get someone like Reiff or even Luck's Stanford teammate Jonathan Martin to be your LT. Don't know who would replace Orakpo.

I'd do this in a heartbeat. TW is one toke away from a years suspension, and play wasn't any worse when he was absent. Orakpo would definitely be the bigger loss of the two.

celts32 · 12-29-2011, 04:47 PM

I have a hard time buying Flynn's potential. He was a 7th round draft pick for a reason. I don't see how a couple years on green bays bench and one good performance filling in has catipulted him into being a great prospect. Everyone wants to throw Brady in your face when talking about late round QB's like Flynn, but Brady is the exception not the rule.

I would not mind bringing Flynn to camp next year but I sure as heck don't want to give him a big contract and make him the starter...

Paintrain · 12-29-2011, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I really see Luck being a Redskin come april.. I think we give up what we need to get to number 1

If the Rams end up at #1 I think that's a virtual lock and it will be expensive. However, if the Colts end up at #1 we're going to have to make a move for RGIII cause the Colts won't budge.

SirClintonPortis · 12-29-2011, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by celts32

I have a hard time buying Flynn's potential. He was a 7th round draft pick for a reason. I don't see how a couple years on green bays bench and one good performance filling in has catipulted him into being a great prospect. Everyone wants to throw Brady in your face when talking about late round QB's like Flynn, but Brady is the exception not the rule.

I would not mind bringing Flynn to camp next year but I sure as heck don't want to give him a big contract and make him the starter...

2nd round pick Brian Brohm was expunged from the Packers instead of Flynn precisely because Flynn performed better than Brohm, draft pick status be damned.

Ruhskins · 12-29-2011, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

2nd round pick Brian Brohm was expunged from the Packers instead of Flynn precisely because Flynn performed better than Brohm, draft pick status be damned.

I could be wrong, but Flynn looks a lot like Kolb. Looked good in limited action, but may not be that great in the long run.

Mattyk · 12-30-2011, 12:04 AM

Too early to give up on Kolb or label him a bust. He had no offseason there in AZ.

12-29-2011, 04:17 PM	#143
30gut The Starter Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,075	Re: What is Andrew Luck Worth? Imo the draft is about probability as much as it is about evaluation. Anytime you pass/give away a pick or multiple picks to make 1 pick you're reducing the opportunities to improve your team or a acquire a great player. In short 4 chances are better then 1 chance. Unless of course Luck will be the last great QB prospect ever. Case in point trading up: the Jets traded up to get Sanchez but don't you think they would have been better off drafting Freeman and keeping the picks they traded? It doesn't make sense to trade picks for Luck or anyother draft pick unless you believe in that player is all you need to win the Super Bowl. __________________ No longer were NFL coaches dealing inflexibly with spread [QBs] in ways that caused stunted development for players like [A. Smith and Vick] now, the idea is to bring what the quarterback can do, and what he should do, together as an organic whole

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celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 41 Posts: 2,643	Re: What is Andrew Luck Worth? I have a hard time buying Flynn's potential. He was a 7th round draft pick for a reason. I don't see how a couple years on green bays bench and one good performance filling in has catipulted him into being a great prospect. Everyone wants to throw Brady in your face when talking about late round QB's like Flynn, but Brady is the exception not the rule. I would not mind bringing Flynn to camp next year but I sure as heck don't want to give him a big contract and make him the starter... __________________ Section 115 Row 23 “Goal line, goal line. I-left, tight wing, 70 chip on white.” http://victorybeer.com/

12-30-2011, 12:04 AM	#150
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,689	Re: What is Andrew Luck Worth? Too early to give up on Kolb or label him a bust. He had no offseason there in AZ. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

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