What is Andrew Luck Worth?

GusFrerotte · 12-31-2011, 11:25 PM

To expand on my previous post, I want to ask the question as to why we think we bring in one guy, that the sky is going to part and we will win a Lombardi 2-3 years later? Our team is full of holes at the line and the defensive backfield. Depth at LB is also woefully inadequate. Also, how do we know that Luck won't turn out to be just average or God help us a new Shuler? To give up solid starters and/or picks for an unknown quantity is just plain stupid!!!

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 01-01-2012, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

I cant say this any clearer, if RG3 falls to us we should take him with no hesitation. RG3 is a fit in our offense.

So what you are saying is draft Nick Foles 1st round?

Dirtbag59 · 01-01-2012, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinzWin

So basically you are saying players in every conference except the SEC sucks and can't be great in the NFL. I thought that was DirtBag's shtick?

I don't know what you done be talking bout. Everyone done knows if Andrew Luck played at a REAL school and not fancy schmancy country club that he might almost win one game. Ya'll want a QB boy I tell you what that Jarrett Lee boy is a winner. Sure it might look uglier then Atlanta after Sherman's march but he gets the job done. I mean, how many Pac-whatever QB's are in the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP game this year? I done put my case to bed with a warm glass of milk squeezed fresh from a cow.

REDSKINS4ever · 01-01-2012, 10:01 AM

This is what I think about Andrew Luck. He's a great collegiate quarterback. He's one of the best that I've ever seen. The thing is this: how would he play in a more competitive conference like the BIG 10, BIG 12, or SEC? The defenses are far more competitive in those conferences as opposed to the PAC 10. How would he do against Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Texas, LSU, Auburn, or Alabama? My opinion is that whether Luck struggled against these defenses or not, they are far more better than the defenses from Washington, Washington St. Oregon, Oregon State, USC, Arizona, and Arizona St. And since Matt Barkley is a PAC 10 QB also, I'm bringing him into question also along with Luck.

over the mountain · 01-01-2012, 11:32 AM

rg3 would make dan snyder a shit ton of coin and he would grace ever signature line of members of every skins fan forum.

i wouldnt give up 3 1st for luck. to me if you have to give up that much it seems it just wasnt meant to be. id probably do 2 1st if people/scouts i really trusted praised him as a once n a lifetime prospect.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 01-01-2012, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I don't know what you done be talking bout. Everyone done knows if Andrew Luck played at a REAL school and not fancy schmancy country club that he might almost win one game. Ya'll want a QB boy I tell you what that Jarrett Lee boy is a winner. Sure it might look uglier then Atlanta after Sherman's march but he gets the job done. I mean, how many Pac-whatever QB's are in the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP game this year? I done put my case to bed with a warm glass of milk squeezed fresh from a cow.

New Years party I see.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 01-01-2012, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

This is what I think about Andrew Luck. He's a great collegiate quarterback. He's one of the best that I've ever seen. The thing is this: how would he play in a more competitive conference like the BIG 10, BIG 12, or SEC? The defenses are far more competitive in those conferences as opposed to the PAC 10. How would he do against Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Texas, LSU, Auburn, or Alabama? My opinion is that whether Luck struggled against these defenses or not, they are far more better than the defenses from Washington, Washington St. Oregon, Oregon State, USC, Arizona, and Arizona St. And since Matt Barkley is a PAC 10 QB also, I'm bringing him into question also along with Luck.

Big 12 defenses are not great by any means and there is no Pac 10.

REDSKINS4ever · 01-01-2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Big 12 defenses are not great by any means and there is no Pac 10.

The addition of Utah and Colorado to the PAC conference is pretty insignificant.

SBXVII · 01-01-2012, 12:13 PM

MS did an interview where he was asked about Luck and what the going price for him could be (3 first round picks) and MS brought up the trade for Gruden, all the 1st round picks and 2nd round picks and he basically said that when he ran into Gruden he said to him "no disrespect but your not worth it". He was saying no way would he ruin a teams future by throwing away all their draft picks.

So I'm guessing if he feels a HC is not worth that then a QB would not either.

CultBrennan59 · 01-01-2012, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Big 12 defenses are not great by any means and there is no Pac 10.

Woah now. The Big 12 does have some great defenses. Sure you have teams like Baylor and Kansas who can't stop anyone, but every conference has teams that have bad defenses. Pac 12 too. You have bad defenses like Washington State, Colorado, and Washington but Oregons a great defense, as is USC, Stanford, Cal.

So you really can't pull out that card to these QB's if they play in a BCS conference, because they all go against good and bad defenses. The defenses RGIII goes against is probably easier than what Andrew Luck goes against. Its the QB's like Case Keenum, or MAC QB's, or WAC QB's, or other Conference USA QB's that you should put up that 'they don't go against go defenses' argument.

skinsfaninok · 01-02-2012, 12:12 AM

Luck and Blackmon showcase tomorrow nite

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 01-02-2012, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Woah now. The Big 12 does have some great defenses. Sure you have teams like Baylor and Kansas who can't stop anyone, but every conference has teams that have bad defenses. Pac 12 too. You have bad defenses like Washington State, Colorado, and Washington but Oregons a great defense, as is USC, Stanford, Cal.

So you really can't pull out that card to these QB's if they play in a BCS conference, because they all go against good and bad defenses. The defenses RGIII goes against is probably easier than what Andrew Luck goes against. Its the QB's like Case Keenum, or MAC QB's, or WAC QB's, or other Conference USA QB's that you should put up that 'they don't go against go defenses' argument.

Sure all conferences have bad D but in regards to the defense the Big 12 usually puts out there it has been way down.

That Guy · 01-03-2012, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by diehard

I'm sure someone has to something to say...

yeah, they both looked great.

SFREDSKIN · 01-03-2012, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

This is what I think about Andrew Luck. He's a great collegiate quarterback. He's one of the best that I've ever seen. The thing is this: how would he play in a more competitive conference like the BIG 10, BIG 12, or SEC? The defenses are far more competitive in those conferences as opposed to the PAC 10. How would he do against Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Texas, LSU, Auburn, or Alabama? My opinion is that whether Luck struggled against these defenses or not, they are far more better than the defenses from Washington, Washington St. Oregon, Oregon State, USC, Arizona, and Arizona St. And since Matt Barkley is a PAC 10 QB also, I'm bringing him into question also along with Luck.

So how do you think he looked against OKS? He looked fantastic, made great decision especially when being blitzed, the poise to find a receiver within seconds, rolling out and passing on both sides of the field. The guy is the real deal, it also helps that he has an outstanding OL. Martin and DeCastro are future pro bowlers and I would love to get either one.

CultBrennan59 · 01-03-2012, 11:00 PM

My neighbor emailed an nfldraftscout guy, and asked him "if you were the redskins would you give up 3 first rounders to get luck?"

He responded "...maybe even four"

12-31-2011, 11:25 PM	#196
GusFrerotte Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 3,961	Re: What is Andrew Luck Worth? To expand on my previous post, I want to ask the question as to why we think we bring in one guy, that the sky is going to part and we will win a Lombardi 2-3 years later? Our team is full of holes at the line and the defensive backfield. Depth at LB is also woefully inadequate. Also, how do we know that Luck won't turn out to be just average or God help us a new Shuler? To give up solid starters and/or picks for an unknown quantity is just plain stupid!!!

01-01-2012, 10:01 AM	#199
REDSKINS4ever The Starter Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Born and raised in D.C. and now lives in Harlem, New York Posts: 2,030	Re: What is Andrew Luck Worth? This is what I think about Andrew Luck. He's a great collegiate quarterback. He's one of the best that I've ever seen. The thing is this: how would he play in a more competitive conference like the BIG 10, BIG 12, or SEC? The defenses are far more competitive in those conferences as opposed to the PAC 10. How would he do against Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Texas, LSU, Auburn, or Alabama? My opinion is that whether Luck struggled against these defenses or not, they are far more better than the defenses from Washington, Washington St. Oregon, Oregon State, USC, Arizona, and Arizona St. And since Matt Barkley is a PAC 10 QB also, I'm bringing him into question also along with Luck.

01-01-2012, 11:32 AM	#200
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: baltimore Posts: 2,670	Re: What is Andrew Luck Worth? rg3 would make dan snyder a shit ton of coin and he would grace ever signature line of members of every skins fan forum. i wouldnt give up 3 1st for luck. to me if you have to give up that much it seems it just wasnt meant to be. id probably do 2 1st if people/scouts i really trusted praised him as a once n a lifetime prospect. __________________ Fails to lock onto the defender, at times, preferring to violently shove his target to the ground and look for others.

01-01-2012, 12:13 PM	#204
SBXVII Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,498	Re: What is Andrew Luck Worth? MS did an interview where he was asked about Luck and what the going price for him could be (3 first round picks) and MS brought up the trade for Gruden, all the 1st round picks and 2nd round picks and he basically said that when he ran into Gruden he said to him "no disrespect but your not worth it". He was saying no way would he ruin a teams future by throwing away all their draft picks. So I'm guessing if he feels a HC is not worth that then a QB would not either.

01-02-2012, 12:12 AM	#206
skinsfaninok Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Norman, OK Age: 26 Posts: 12,994	Re: What is Andrew Luck Worth? Luck and Blackmon showcase tomorrow nite __________________ Robert Griffin III "if you're good at something, never do it for free"- The Joker

01-03-2012, 11:00 PM	#210
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,587	Re: What is Andrew Luck Worth? My neighbor emailed an nfldraftscout guy, and asked him "if you were the redskins would you give up 3 first rounders to get luck?" He responded "...maybe even four" __________________ When in doubt, go with the SEC

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