What is Andrew Luck Worth?

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 12-26-2011, 04:40 PM

Everyone thought the Falcons gave up way too much to get Julio Jones (I kinda still do) but it doesn't seem so stupid now. If that's who you want you pay what you have to to get him.

skinsfan69 · 12-26-2011, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Everyone thought the Falcons gave up way too much to get Julio Jones (I kinda still do) but it doesn't seem so stupid now. If that's who you want you pay what you have to to get him.

It was too much. Is it going to get them over the hump and beat GB? Probably not. Green Bay still has a better offense. Never ever pay that much for a wr.

skinsfan69 · 12-26-2011, 05:14 PM

Here's what I don't understand. If Barkely would've came out he would've been the 2nd or 3rd QB taken. But is he any better than Nick Foles? Foles is putting up great numbers and he's on a shitty team this year. Foles seems to have a bigger arm and looks like a better athlete. I'd take a look at this guy if I were Shanahan/Allen.

Alvin Walton · 12-26-2011, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Landry44

No player is worth three first rounders.

This. ^

I'll throw a hissy fit if we dump that many picks for him.

Big C · 12-26-2011, 05:21 PM

i would not give up 3 1st rounders for luck. id rather get a guy like foles in the 2nd rather than bet our forseeable future on an unproven rookie qb, regardless of how much of a "sure thing" he is. i do think he will be a great qb, but its not a sure thing...

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 12-26-2011, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

It was too much. Is it going to get them over the hump and beat GB? Probably not. Green Bay still has a better offense. Never ever pay that much for a wr.

That wasn't the point, I thought they gave up too much too, but that's who they wanted and they paid for him. If Luck is who Shanny wants he will pay for him.

Lotus · 12-26-2011, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Everyone thought the Falcons gave up way too much to get Julio Jones (I kinda still do) but it doesn't seem so stupid now. If that's who you want you pay what you have to to get him.

I get what you are saying. If you leave out the fact that Jones is a WR, the point remains that you get what you pay for. And if you want a once-in-a-generation QB, you have to pay big.

Of course, the flip side of the Jones scenario is that the Browns have 2 first rounders this year, making it tough to outbid them if they are fervent after Luck.

NM Redskin · 12-26-2011, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

Bold prediction time-Colts beat the Jags and Rams lose to Niners on Sunday giving the Rams the #1 overall pick in the 2012 draft.

In the preamble to the draft, knowing the Rams will deal the pick, the Luck camp lets it be known that the Redskins are Andrew's preference citing proximity to home (West Virginia) and Shanahan's reputation with QB plus uncertainty at the other potential landing spots (Cleveland with an unproven Pat Shurmer, Miami with ??? and Indy with Manning's situation)

The morning of the draft we secure the #1 pick for 2012 1st and 3rd, 2013 1st and 3rd & our 2014 2nd for the #1 overall in 2012 plus a 5th this year and a 4th next year.

Book it as done and it will be worth it.

I'd take it!

Also isn't the risk/reward worth it? If Luck is a bust, at least the financial commitment wont be there, because of the new CBA. We could walk after 3 years( if it's not working out )and not be in any kind of salary cap nightmare.

CultBrennan59 · 12-27-2011, 12:42 AM

Ok if I came up to you and said lets go back in time and I'll give you the opportunity to get Peyton Manning with the first pick, but you have to give me 3 first rounders, would you do it?

Thats how people are viewing/treating this Luck kid (and pick)

GTripp0012 · 12-27-2011, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Ok if I came up to you and said lets go back to the future and I'll give you the opportunity to get Peyton Manning with the first pick, but you have to give me 3 first rounders, would you do it?

Thats how people are viewing/treating this Luck kid (and pick)

That's stupid.

NC_Skins · 12-27-2011, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

If the Rams get the #1 pick, I think we will pull the trigger on the Bradford trade.

Fixed that for you.

ethat001 · 12-27-2011, 01:58 AM

So give up the equivalent of Orakpo, T.Williams, and Kerrigan?

Tough call, I can see it both ways. The three above are our foundation for the next decade, but -- an elite franchise QB like Peyton, Brees, Brady, Rodgers == Super Bowls. Problem is, we don't know if Luck is truly one of the above, or just a Hasselback, McNabb, or Sanchez.

If I had confidence our staff could pick up a gem like Rodgers/Brady outside the top 15, then it would be clear... But we've missed on McNabb, Beck, Grossman recently, and trading for Luck would increase our probability of success. Also, Shanahan has displayed remarkable ability to pick gems in later rounds for other positions, perhaps we could compensate for not having first rounders by drafting well in the later rounds..

Anyway -- my gut tells me that it is not worth it. Would make more sense to either trade down and try for Landry Jones (?), a FA like ?Flynn/etc, or even RG3 (although my gut thinks RG3 will be a bust).

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 12-27-2011, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Fixed that for you.

Don't fix what isn't broken.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 12-27-2011, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Ok if I came up to you and said lets go back to the future and I'll give you the opportunity to get Peyton Manning with the first pick, but you have to give me 3 first rounders, would you do it?

Thats how people are viewing/treating this Luck kid (and pick)

How do you go BACK to the future??

CultBrennan59 · 12-27-2011, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

How do you go BACK to the future??

Thinking of the movie series...**Time**

12-26-2011, 04:40 PM	#31
EARTHQUAKE2689 You did WHAT?!? Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In The Kitchen With Dyna. Age: 24 Posts: 11,005	Re: What is Andrew Luck Worth? Everyone thought the Falcons gave up way too much to get Julio Jones (I kinda still do) but it doesn't seem so stupid now. If that's who you want you pay what you have to to get him. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpp3ycMvQd0 This is why you need Mentos. To justify your questionable problem solving skills. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7geP5ev0VI Awesome isn't it.

12-26-2011, 05:14 PM	#33
skinsfan69 Franchise Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA. Posts: 8,103	Re: What is Andrew Luck Worth? Here's what I don't understand. If Barkely would've came out he would've been the 2nd or 3rd QB taken. But is he any better than Nick Foles? Foles is putting up great numbers and he's on a shitty team this year. Foles seems to have a bigger arm and looks like a better athlete. I'd take a look at this guy if I were Shanahan/Allen.

12-26-2011, 05:21 PM	#35
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Fairfax, Virginia Age: 26 Posts: 4,423	Re: What is Andrew Luck Worth? i would not give up 3 1st rounders for luck. id rather get a guy like foles in the 2nd rather than bet our forseeable future on an unproven rookie qb, regardless of how much of a "sure thing" he is. i do think he will be a great qb, but its not a sure thing... __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

12-27-2011, 12:42 AM	#39
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,574	Re: What is Andrew Luck Worth? Ok if I came up to you and said lets go back in time and I'll give you the opportunity to get Peyton Manning with the first pick, but you have to give me 3 first rounders, would you do it? Thats how people are viewing/treating this Luck kid (and pick) __________________ When in doubt, go with the SEC Last edited by CultBrennan59; 12-27-2011 at 03:27 AM.

12-27-2011, 01:58 AM	#42
ethat001 Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 632	Re: What is Andrew Luck Worth? So give up the equivalent of Orakpo, T.Williams, and Kerrigan? Tough call, I can see it both ways. The three above are our foundation for the next decade, but -- an elite franchise QB like Peyton, Brees, Brady, Rodgers == Super Bowls. Problem is, we don't know if Luck is truly one of the above, or just a Hasselback, McNabb, or Sanchez. If I had confidence our staff could pick up a gem like Rodgers/Brady outside the top 15, then it would be clear... But we've missed on McNabb, Beck, Grossman recently, and trading for Luck would increase our probability of success. Also, Shanahan has displayed remarkable ability to pick gems in later rounds for other positions, perhaps we could compensate for not having first rounders by drafting well in the later rounds.. Anyway -- my gut tells me that it is not worth it. Would make more sense to either trade down and try for Landry Jones (?), a FA like ?Flynn/etc, or even RG3 (although my gut thinks RG3 will be a bust). Last edited by ethat001; 12-27-2011 at 02:01 AM.

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