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Old 01-14-2012, 11:44 PM   #361
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Williams' defense broke down far too often today against an uninspiring Niners offense. Sure Smith had two great throws near the end of the game, but if the defense was better the two great throws = 14 pts would not change the outcome. Your offense just scored over 30 pts on one of the nastiest defenses in the in the league and yet you let the (questionably serious) Niners offense outscore you?
Gregg Williams has been an over rated DC, just like Jeff Fisher is as a coach. I'm glad he wasn't made coach of the Redskins.
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Old 01-14-2012, 11:52 PM   #362
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Gregg Williams has been an over rated DC, just like Jeff Fisher is as a coach. I'm glad he wasn't made coach of the Redskins.
GW put together some great defenses here in DC. If we had a damn offense to go with it at any point during Gibbs 2.0 we may have went some where.
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Old 01-14-2012, 11:54 PM   #363
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GW put together some great defenses here in DC. If we had a damn offense to go with it at any point during Gibbs 2.0 we may have went some where.
Bend don't break, just like today and then it breaks. I want a Richie Petitbone type D , one that kicks ass.
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Old 01-15-2012, 12:38 AM   #364
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GW put together some great defenses here in DC. If we had a damn offense to go with it at any point during Gibbs 2.0 we may have went some where.
Those "great defenses" weren't that great. They would do good limiting the yardage, but if you needed a turnover or pressure, none were to be found. Also, those defenses would break when you needed them the most. Last minute drives by teams to win the game? It was all but in the bag for them against that "great" defense.
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Old 01-15-2012, 01:11 AM   #365
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Ok maybe they weren't "great" but if we had an offense behind them then maybe there would not have been a chance for a last minute drive to win the game. Meaning those D's were good to a point but when you only scored 19-15 points a game you could lose.
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Old 01-15-2012, 03:09 AM   #366
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Yeah huh?

GW was his DC at one time in Ten and he left for the HC gig in Buffalo.
Ok so I forgot he worked with him once. My point still somewhat stands, he leaves Buffalo and did Fischer sign him? No. He left the Skins and did his ole buddy Fischer sign him? No. Now he's helping to coach a team that is a regular in the play offs. I just don't see GW throwing gig he's got now for a bottom feeder team.
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Old 01-15-2012, 04:05 AM   #367
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Ok so I forgot he worked with him once. My point still somewhat stands, he leaves Buffalo and did Fischer sign him? No. He left the Skins and did his ole buddy Fischer sign him? No. Now he's helping to coach a team that is a regular in the play offs. I just don't see GW throwing gig he's got now for a bottom feeder team.
Fisher and the rest of the Titans FO chose to stick with Jim Schwartz instead. Schwartz might have been on the hot seat in 2006, but Schwartz finished strong in 2007 and 2008.
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Old 01-15-2012, 10:14 PM   #368
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I don't think either is of real value to us. Obviously the Rams' asking price for the no. 2 pick is sky high now: they won't actually get a first, second, and third for four or seven spots to trade up.

But the Rams only have leverage if the Redskins are interested in that pick. Because the Browns are well positioned anyway. If the Browns want Griffin, they just have to beat best offer, they don't actually have to move (on some level here, I am suggesting that NFL teams will collude). It greatly complicates the ability of the Rams to trade the pick for above-market value if teams know they can't beat the Browns.

Basically, unless the Rams are actually willing to take Robert Griffin with the second overall pick, their only leverage comes from the Redskins interest in the pick (because it wouldn't make sense for the Rams to drop too much further down in the draft than sixth). If the Redskins want to go to 3rd overall to jump the Browns, the Rams aren't going to get a whole lot of serious offers for that pick.
I suspect you underestimate the market here. Yes, the Browns will be interested enough to try to match/beat the best offer the Rams get. However, in addition to the Redskins possible interest in moving up, why would the Dolphins be uninterested in moving up to get RG III?

Same with the Jaguars after Mularkey gets a look at a full season's worth of tape on Blaine Gabbert?

Why not the Broncos if Elway decides that Tebow is not the long term answer?

The Chiefs?

And as real long-shots why not the Cowboys or the Jets once they realize the cold light of day that their starting QBs are probably at or near their peak peformance levels right about now?

I suspect the Rams will have more than one team interested in the price of that #2 pick even if the Redskins choose not to play the game. Now the Rams may hold out for such an exorbitant price that they cannot move the pick, but that is different from not getting any offers.
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Old 01-16-2012, 12:18 AM   #369
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Fisher will clear the whole staff right?
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I suspect you underestimate the market here. Yes, the Browns will be interested enough to try to match/beat the best offer the Rams get. However, in addition to the Redskins possible interest in moving up, why would the Dolphins be uninterested in moving up to get RG III?

Same with the Jaguars after Mularkey gets a look at a full season's worth of tape on Blaine Gabbert?

Why not the Broncos if Elway decides that Tebow is not the long term answer?

The Chiefs?

And as real long-shots why not the Cowboys or the Jets once they realize the cold light of day that their starting QBs are probably at or near their peak peformance levels right about now?

I suspect the Rams will have more than one team interested in the price of that #2 pick even if the Redskins choose not to play the game. Now the Rams may hold out for such an exorbitant price that they cannot move the pick, but that is different from not getting any offers.
You could be right here, but if the Rams trade with any of those teams they are effectively removing themselves from the part of the draft where they can land an impact player at a need position. Having the Redskins pick keeps them positioned to do such a thing.

I think they have a considerable amount more leverage if they are willing to select Robert Griffin with the second overall pick, but if they don't have him graded as a top two player in the draft, I don't see how they can expect someone to pony up the market rate for their pick. They'll probably get stuck with it. The Browns aren't paying two first rounders to move up two spots, that's just not what the Browns will do.

Their only shot, it seems, would be to trade with the Redskins or Dolphins.
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B Schottenheimer to the Rams
Poor Bradford, he will be ruined like Sanchez.
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Poor Bradford, he will be ruined like Sanchez.
Not if we trade for him
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Gregg Williams joins Rams as DC

New Orleans Saints' Gregg Williams reportedly joins Jeff Fisher with St. Louis Rams - ESPN
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Yeah I came to post this also. Ok guys I'll eat my crow. Sorry I was wrong. Simple and sweet.
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