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Old 01-02-2012, 04:31 PM   #136
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These are the types of things that drive me crazy. Flynn is a FA. No one has to trade for him.

And in my opinion thats what makes Flynn so valuable; not only could he be a good qb, but the opportunity cost to get him is existentially zero. With Luck and RGIII it will cost us at a bare minimum 1 draft pick but in reality multiple draft picks and/or trading players like Orapko/T. Williams/Davis. If we sign Matt Flynn all it will cost us is Danny's money (inconsequential to me) and cap space which depending on the deal could also be relatively inconsequential.

My thoughts are RGIII or Luck may be much better qb prospects then Flynn, however, do you believe that the cost in the loss of 6th overall pick plus trading additional picks and/or players to get either of them will be more beneficial to the team then not having to trade anything and simply adding Flynn? Trading for a player is entirely different and more costly then signing a player through FA. In fact trading picks and/or players to move up in the draft is nearly identical as trading for a player on another team.
I think this is the key point. If flynn's the guy, we still have two picks in the first 2 rounds (potential instant starters).

so if we need a CB, QB, OT, and WR 2 high picks won't cover all 4. especially if you feel like we need safety help or a young ILB.

best FAs for us could be flynn, grimes (or rogers :P), one of the MANY FA WRs (bowe wallace etc), and grubbs at OG. you could take 0-4 or those and draft 2 guys (one of which could be blackmon, RGIII, claiborne, kalil - one will be available at #6).

If you traded with cinncy you'd be able to get tannehill and a CB (like jenkins) at 19 and 24.

for cheap FAs, I'd definately grab 2-3 safeties at the $1mill/year range and see if we can upgrade doughty and gomes. I'd do the same for ILB and/or look at the 3rd and 4th round as a place to draft there, assuming we fill at least 2 needs in FA.

I kinda think the #2 pick should be a new RT, and a FA WR is going to be better than drafting one since SOO many are available this year and its the easiest way to save a pick. grimes is a great CB, but I bet he and rogers get bigger contracts than we'd want to give - we can either pay one of them and draft a QB or pay a QB and take claiborne. Grubbs is just a good buy if we cann swing it, but he wouldn't alleviate the need at RT and we probably won't be drafting a good OG unless we get lucky in the 3rd.

that's kinda what i'm thinking, not that it really matters .
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Old 01-02-2012, 04:35 PM   #137
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Id rather have Errol Flynn.
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Old 01-02-2012, 05:27 PM   #138
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LOL! Please put the crack pipe down. McNabb is finished. That's why Philadelphia was willing to give him up to a division opponent.
your right, their record and playoff wins since he left proves he was the one holding them back. Mcnabb is much better than Rex. He passes for more yards, threw less ints and defeated better teams. Those facts cant be debated.

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your right, their record and playoff wins since he left proves he was the one holding them back. Mcnabb is much better than Rex. He passes for more yards, threw less ints and defeated better teams. Those facts cant be debated.
The Eagles have maintained a similar level of production after the departure of McNabb. Why any QB take should excessive credit or blame for another part of their team's fall from greatness is beyond me, but you continue to engage in that misattribution by using the stat of wins over looking at yards per game or passing touchdowns.

Hence, Andy Reid doesn't have to concern himself with his quarterback. Out of all the problems going for the Eagles, the starting quarterback is the least of his worries.

McNabb only threw for 3377 while Grossman threw for 3151, but Grossman had 14 fewer attempts and ten fewer completions. Most of McNabb's wins for have awful stat lines(every win except Tennessee), and he too had a 10-game interception throwing streak last season.
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Old 01-02-2012, 06:43 PM   #140
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your right, their record and playoff wins since he left proves he was the one holding them back. Mcnabb is much better than Rex. He passes for more yards, threw less ints and defeated better teams. Those facts cant be debated.
And what exactly is Donovan McNabb's record since leaving the Eagles? I'm sorry, what was that? I can't seem to hear you, must have a bad connection. What? You know, if I'm THAT big of a Donovan McNabb fan, I think I'd just follow him to the team he's currently on and start rooting for them.....oh wait....that's right, he doesn't have a team! Because he was cut midway through the season. Certainly sounds like a strong case for McNabb over Grossman....lol!

What CAN'T be debated is the fact that neither Grossman NOR McNabb are or was the right choice for the Redskins and their future. Live with it.
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Matt Flynn either needs to be a Brown or a Redskin. Right now the teams only two targets should be Flynn and RG3
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Old 01-02-2012, 06:56 PM   #142
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peter king thinks flynn will be a skin or seahawk
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Old 01-02-2012, 07:01 PM   #143
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I am thinking that the green bay packers are going to franchise matt flynn. Then they will be looking to get a second round draft choice for him. . Similar to what the new england patriots did with matt cassel.
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Old 01-02-2012, 07:03 PM   #144
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I am thinking that the green bay packers are going to franchise matt flynn. Then they will be looking to get a second round draft choice for him. . Similar to what the new england patriots did with matt cassel.
We both must have just read the same article.
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We both must have just read the same article.
@bryanbrackney: The Packers won't franchise Flynn. Jermichael Finley will get the tag.
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We both must have just read the same article.
No but if you have link i would like to hear it.
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peter king thinks flynn will be a skin or seahawk
I think Seahawk, what I said last week
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And what exactly is Donovan McNabb's record since leaving the Eagles? I'm sorry, what was that? I can't seem to hear you, must have a bad connection. What? You know, if I'm THAT big of a Donovan McNabb fan, I think I'd just follow him to the team he's currently on and start rooting for them.....oh wait....that's right, he doesn't have a team! Because he was cut midway through the season. Certainly sounds like a strong case for McNabb over Grossman....lol!

What CAN'T be debated is the fact that neither Grossman NOR McNabb are or was the right choice for the Redskins and their future. Live with it.
McNabb is a winner. Doesn't matter where he goes or how low his completion percentage is or how many Int's he throws. The guy just wins.
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Old 01-03-2012, 02:21 AM   #149
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Per Football Outsiders:
Flynn is 26 years old and has four years of apprenticeship in one of the best offenses in the league. His ceiling is Hall of Famer; his realistic floor is something at least close to a Pro Bowler. That's got to be worth more than an unproven rookie, doesn't it?



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Maybe Flynn will never win a Super Bowl like those men did. So let's not look at the best quarterbacks who have played this well; let's look instead at the worst quarterbacks to ever hit 290 DYAR in a game. In alphabetical order, that leaves us with Marc Bulger, Randall Cunningham, Green and Scott Mitchell. The first three names on that list were Pro Bowlers, and the fourth was essentially a league-average starter for a half-decade in the mid-90s.

Going a little further down the list, down to the 260-DYAR level, gives us more of the same: Pro Bowl quarterback after Pro Bowl quarterback, from Rodgers to Matt Hasselbeck to Carson Palmer to Rich Gannon to Steve Young to Drew Bledsoe to Bobby Hebert to Troy Aikman to Neil O'Donnell to Daunte Culpepper to Jeff Garcia. Obviously, some of those names are a lot better than others, but with the exception of Mitchell, every quarterback who has ever played even one game anywhere near Flynn's level played in Hawaii at least once in his career.
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Disagree with FO that his floor is pro bowler. His floor is career backup with misguided starting stint.

The problem wasn't the stats analysis, it was the way the question was asked: "what was the worst case outcome of a player who exceeded 290 DYAR in a single performance?" But the real question that wasn't asked there was "what parameters are consistent in any 290 DYAR performance (specifically, Scott Mitchell's)." It just so happens that Aaron Rodgers, playing in the Packers offensive system, with the Packers offensive talent, is having one of the greatest quarterback seasons of all time. Is Aaron Rodgers one of the greatest quarterbacks ever to play pro football? Maybe. But it's more likely that he's in the prime of his career right now because of the fertility of the offense around him.

Great stats -- ones that I use regularly -- poor analysis of the performance in a limited sample.
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