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Old 01-04-2012, 03:22 PM   #181
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Old 01-04-2012, 03:31 PM   #182
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I'd be on Henne's jock too if he had a 6TD game under his belt. Just don't think anyone can luck there way through a game like that. I don't care what the system is or what talent they have around them. Davis would be every bit as good as Finley on that team and we should be able to get a true #1 WR in the offseason. Our RBs are just as good or better and Kyle's system is very similar to Green Bays.
I don't think he lucked his way through that game by any stretch -- I think he really was that good -- but I think he was at least a little fortunate to be playing a zone coverage team at home in the conditions. Kyle system isn't similar to Green Bay's though. I suppose I could be misunderstanding what you mean by similar, but for me, I can't think of two modern passing systems that are much more different.

When valuing Matt Flynn on the free agent market, that 6 TD game will be basically meaningless. Not in the way that it was lucky. But going into that game, Flynn like Henne had a negative career TD/INT ratio. So the 6 TDs vs. 1 INTs is a clear outlier in a rather unremarkable career.

Flynn had a great offensive performance, but aren't there about three performances of this quality every week that just don't stand out because the game is put away after the 4th passing TD?
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Old 01-04-2012, 05:10 PM   #183
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I'll say this, matt schaub didn't start but like 3 games for the falcons, and now he's a top 10 QB...
I'll say this, Scott Mitchell, AJ Feeley, Kevin Kolb.
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Old 01-04-2012, 05:38 PM   #184
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I'll say this, Scott Mitchell, AJ Feeley, Kevin Kolb.
Mitchell gets a bit of a bad rap.

Scott Mitchell NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

He had a heck of a season in '95. He wasn't a total flame out.
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Old 01-04-2012, 06:02 PM   #185
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I'll say this, matt schaub didn't start but like 3 games for the falcons, and now he's a top 10 QB...
Schaub had an entire three year college starting career and a good draft grade to justify what people were seeing. (And yet, had Schaub failed, a bunch of people would have lined up outside Kubiak's office to yell "Called it!")

Flynn has...9 touchdown passes and QB competition with Brian Brohm. And whatever you think a BCS championship (with a two loss team) is worth.
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Old 01-04-2012, 06:06 PM   #186
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To me, the guy I would compare Flynn to (if I were in favor of getting Flynn) would be Matt Cassel.

But I am also not in favor of Flynn, in part because of Matt Cassel.
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To me, the guy I would compare Flynn to (if I were in favor of getting Flynn) would be Matt Cassel.

But I am also not in favor of Flynn, in part because of Matt Cassel.
Probably a perfect comparison.. College backup to pro backup in a phenomenal system who had success surrounded by elite players. It's very risky projecting those players as starters and paying a ton of money on hope.
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Probably a perfect comparison.. College backup to pro backup in a phenomenal system who had success surrounded by elite players. It's very risky projecting those players as starters and paying a ton of money on hope.
In what way is he similar to Matt Cassel? These guys are not similar.
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In what way is he similar to Matt Cassel? These guys are not similar.
Based on...
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Man, how dumb are you? One of them only has one T in their name. SMH
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Funniest thing I've heard all day. Needed that after a long day at work. Thanks.
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Man, how dumb are you? One of them only has one T in their name. SMH
This thread keeps making me think about the Cowboys punter.

Speaking of which, why can no one hit that scoreboard anymore? If the Cowboys are going to consistently fail to qualify for the playoffs, I don't want them to go quietly. I want a blooper reel.
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This thread keeps making me think about the Cowboys punter.

Speaking of which, why can no one hit that scoreboard anymore? If the Cowboys are going to consistently fail to qualify for the playoffs, I don't want them to go quietly. I want a blooper reel.
they raised it like 20 feet after the media had a field day with it last i heard...
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I don't care what the system is or what talent they have around them. Davis would be every bit as good as Finley on that team and we should be able to get a true #1 WR in the offseason. Our RBs are just as good or better and Kyle's system is very similar to Green Bays.
I think you should care about their system and their talent because its the context in which Flynn is being evaluated.
If you're saying you like Flynn because of his physical skillset then by all means dismiss the context.
But, if you like Flynn because of his production you'd better play close attention to the system and the talent where he amassed that production.
Because rest assured you're signing/trading Flynn's physical skillset not his production.
And imo Flynn skillset suggest that he's more of the quintessential 'system' QB then he is a scheme diverse physically gifted QB.
And if you're signing a system QB you'd better be able to replicate the the pieces of that system (caoching/gameplanning/playcalling/talent (receiving corps/OL etc) if you want similar results.
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I think you should care about their system and their talent because its the context in which Flynn is being evaluated.
If you're saying you like Flynn because of his physical skillset then by all means dismiss the context.
But, if you like Flynn because of his production you'd better play close attention to the system and the talent where he amassed that production.
Because rest assured you're signing/trading Flynn's physical skillset not his production.
And imo Flynn skillset suggest that he's more of the quintessential 'system' QB then he is a scheme diverse physically gifted QB.
And if you're signing a system QB you'd better be able to replicate the the pieces of that system (caoching/gameplanning/playcalling/talent (receiving corps/OL etc) if you want similar results.
I love all those things and value them higher then just one guy who happens to be an awesome qb. System QB's mean a lot more flexibility.

I think something overlooked is what changes are the coaches willing to make for whatever QB we get. If we get Bradford should we try and force him in a scheme that doesnt fit for him like McDainels did? If RGIII isnt ideal for our offense should we adjust it for him? If were stuck with Rex for another year should we continue doing what we did?
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