What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins

mlmpetert · 01-05-2012, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 30gut

Well you can trade/sign for 1 guy.
You cannot trade/sign an entire offense that creates a 'system' QB.

I think you have it backwards.
A system QB forces the team to re-create that system to have success.
A scheme diverse i.e. physically talented QB means more flexibility.

I guess my comment is more of a digg at Kyle Shanahan.

And I don’t think we should design a system around a guy that pundits have deemed a “system qb”, its more that we should design a system where not just once in a generation talent can operate it.

My thought is that to call Flynn a system quarterback is to imply Rodgers is one too. Weve all heard people call Tom Brady a system QB, particularly when Cassel stepped in and threw for almost 4k yards. And we hear it at the college level all day long. It just seems to me if Aaron Rodgers can have arguably the best season ever for a QB and his back up can step in and set multiple all time GB records then whats so bad about having a system that allows guys like Rodgers, Brady or Flynn to be successful?

Really great QB’s that can do it all are so rare. So sure a guy like Luck may be able to step into any offense and have great success but the odds of landing someone as highly touted as him are seldom to none. Drafting a guys like Rodgers or Flynn that arnt as highly touted but still have the necessary abilities to be very successful when constrained to a particular system, to me, make teams much more flexible. If your schemes are designed for only the very best, then the team’s overall success has a ceiling that’s directly determined by team’s personal, just look at the Colts.

Paintrain · 01-05-2012, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Cassel hasn't been terrible in KC, and even though NE won 11 games with Cassel, he wasn't putting up the same numbers as Brady. He is what he is. I think the year before Brady threw for over 50 TDs. I would have taken Cassel here over the train wreck we've had over the last 2 years.

I don't think I ever said he was awful. I just said the comparison was valid.

44Deezel · 01-05-2012, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mlmpetert

I guess my comment is more of a digg at Kyle Shanahan.

And I don’t think we should design a system around a guy that pundits have deemed a “system qb”, its more that we should design a system where not just once in a generation talent can operate it.

My thought is that to call Flynn a system quarterback is to imply Rodgers is one too. Weve all heard people call Tom Brady a system QB, particularly when Cassel stepped in and threw for almost 4k yards. And we hear it at the college level all day long. It just seems to me if Aaron Rodgers can have arguably the best season ever for a QB and his back up can step in and set multiple all time GB records then whats so bad about having a system that allows guys like Rodgers, Brady or Flynn to be successful?

Really great QB’s that can do it all are so rare. So sure a guy like Luck may be able to step into any offense and have great success but the odds of landing someone as highly touted as him are seldom to none. Drafting a guys like Rodgers or Flynn that arnt as highly touted but still have the necessary abilities to be very successful when constrained to a particular system, to me, make teams much more flexible. If your schemes are designed for only the very best, then the team’s overall success has a ceiling that’s directly determined by team’s personal, just look at the Colts.

We run a very similar system and if we add a bonafied #1 Receiver, and Hankserson proves to be a competent #2, we'll have plenty of talent around him. Moss #3, our young RB rotation, Davis and Cooley and 9 draft picks and free agency to fill other needs. Top 15 Defense that is young. Flynn wouldn't be walking into a terrible situation.

skinsguy · 01-05-2012, 10:45 AM

You know, the more I think about it, the more I don't mind a "system" quarterback if within the 'skins system, he's successful and plays with the Redskins his entire career. Why would I care about what he could do elsewhere?

JoeRedskin · 01-05-2012, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 44Deezel

We run a very similar system and if we add a bonafied #1 Receiver, and Hankserson proves to be a competent #2, we'll have plenty of talent around him. Moss #3, our young RB rotation, Davis and Cooley and 9 draft picks and free agency to fill other needs. Top 15 Defense that is young. Flynn wouldn't be walking into a terrible situation.

Please explain to me the similarities to me in a way that refutes 30gut's very cogent and detailed argument that we don't so that I can weigh the credibility of each statement. Right now all you have done is make the general, unsupported statement that GB runs a similar system to us.

As to Flynn, the talent drop-off from GB to us is significant at the WR position. Maybe Flynn can compensate for that, maybe not. As I said earlier, if it's just money at issue, sure, grab him BUT be sure to add a solid rookie in the first or 2nd round. Right now, I believe that, though holes still exist, there is enough in place to draft and develop the "QB of the Future". Not sure if Flynn is that guy so I think we need to draft at least one QB who we think may be the guy.

mooby · 01-05-2012, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I have to admit. This pic has me worried.

I knew between RG3 and Flynn that RG3 would have the uncontested edge in intangibles but it's hard to take an athlete seriously when they smoke cigarettes. Especially when they're unproven. Maybe he's quit since then but still. Not a good sign.

I'm not gonna lie, that picture makes him look like he'd be better served hanging with Matt Leinart than playing football, but I guess we should hope those days are over.

CrustyRedskin · 01-05-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I have to admit. This pic has me worried.

I knew between RG3 and Flynn that RG3 would have the uncontested edge in intangibles but it's hard to take an athlete seriously when they smoke cigarettes. Especially when they're unproven. Maybe he's quit since then but still. Not a good sign.

Cut him some slack they're watching game six.

CrustyRedskin · 01-05-2012, 01:37 PM

Here's how our guy rocks it!!

dmek25 · 01-05-2012, 01:38 PM

omg, a qb in the NFL is out partying with his peeps...shouldnt he be reading the play book, or watching film 24/7? whats wrong with you people?

Mattyk · 01-05-2012, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

Cut him some slack they're watching game six.

well, neither cig is lit, perhaps they're just posers

FRPLG · 01-05-2012, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 44Deezel

We run a very similar system and if we add a bonafied #1 Receiver, and Hankserson proves to be a competent #2, we'll have plenty of talent around him. Moss #3, our young RB rotation, Davis and Cooley and 9 draft picks and free agency to fill other needs. Top 15 Defense that is young. Flynn wouldn't be walking into a terrible situation.

Our passing game is almost nothing like GB's at all.

T.O.Killa · 01-05-2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Our passing game is almost nothing like GB's at all.

Our passing game is very similar to theirs. The biggest difference is QB. They do pretty much what we do. I have heard several NFL analysts say that he would fit our system perfectly. From my amatuer eye, I feel the same way.

Lotus · 01-05-2012, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Our passing game is very similar to theirs. The biggest difference is QB. They do pretty much what we do. I have heard several NFL analysts say that he would fit our system perfectly. From my amatuer eye, I feel the same way.

In what ways?

SmootSmack · 01-05-2012, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

In what ways?

When we play Green Bay, both QBs throw the ball to players in Packers jersey....zing!! **and Rex throws another interception**

sportscurmudgeon · 01-05-2012, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

Matt Flynn smells of Scott Mitchell.

Most unfair. Scott Mitchell was a guy who had trouble staying in shape and who became gun-shy after about two good hits in a game. Matt Flynn may not be the world-beater that he looked like last Sunday, but he has worked hard and studied hard to get where he is. That alone makes him more than Scott Mitchell was.

01-05-2012, 10:45 AM	#214
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,002	Re: What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins You know, the more I think about it, the more I don't mind a "system" quarterback if within the 'skins system, he's successful and plays with the Redskins his entire career. Why would I care about what he could do elsewhere? __________________ Not the same Skinsguy that posts on ES.

01-05-2012, 01:37 PM	#218
CrustyRedskin The Starter Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: RatherbeinDC, TX Posts: 1,996	Re: What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins Here's how our guy rocks it!! __________________ But you know the sun's settin' fast, and just like they say, nothing good ever lasts.

01-05-2012, 01:38 PM	#219
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 51 Posts: 10,442	Re: What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins omg, a qb in the NFL is out partying with his peeps...shouldnt he be reading the play book, or watching film 24/7? whats wrong with you people? __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

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