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Old 01-05-2012, 07:22 PM   #241
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Old 01-05-2012, 07:44 PM   #242
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My thought is that to call Flynn a system quarterback is to imply Rodgers is one too.
That might be your thought but its far from any implication I'm making.
Aaron Rodgers because of his skillset is scheme diverse.
To put it simply Aaron Rodgers is a fast, quick release and a strong arm, above average deep ball thrower and a playmaker who over the past couple season rushes for 300+ yards a season.
Aaron Rodgers is not a system QB.
Being a system QB is about skillset or lack thereof.

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whats so bad about having a system that allows guys like Rodgers, Brady or Flynn to be successful?
Nothing and no one is saying there is anything wrong with having such a system.

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Drafting a guys like Rodgers or Flynn that arnt as highly touted but still have the necessary abilities to be very successful when constrained to a particular system, to me, make teams much more flexible.
Huh?
Rodgers (a 1st round pick) has elite physical skillset Flynn does not.

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If your schemes are designed for only the very best, then the team’s overall success has a ceiling that’s directly determined by team’s personal, just look at the Colts.
A team designs there scheme around their players.
The Colts had Peyton Manning and built there scheme around him.

But lets not mix issues here.
The Colts lacked a competent back-up QB this point is highlighted by the fact that when Dan Orlovsky was plugged into the line-up there was a significant uptick in the offense from Curtis Painter.

My point is this:
Matt Flynn is not Aaron Rodgers because of his physical skillset.
Judging Matt Flynn or any FA/draftable prospect QB based on their production is a false/innaccurate assessment of their individual ability because their production is part of a system that includes the OL, WRs, RB, scheme, coaching, chemistry, playcalling and continuity.
When you draft/trade or sign a player you only get their physical skillset not their system.
Therefore Flynn despite his production is still only as good or as valueable as his skillset.
Therefore any QB with Flynn's physical skillset could be as productive as Flynn.
Therefore there is no need to pay Flynn any more then it would cost to bring in a prospect with a similar skillset.
And prospects with Flynn skillset can be found later in the later rounds of the draft or through FA Brian Hoyer, Josh Johnson heck there are some even more tested/talented QBs available via FA like Matt Moore or Chad Henne.
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Old 01-06-2012, 02:38 AM   #243
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One guy who is also completely unproven who I think I'd gamble on before Matt Flynn?

Dennis Dixon.
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Old 01-06-2012, 05:17 AM   #244
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One guy who is also completely unproven who I think I'd gamble on before Matt Flynn?

Dennis Dixon.
It worries me that he can't beat out Charlie Batch. What would it take to get him?
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Old 01-06-2012, 05:40 AM   #245
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One guy who is also completely unproven who I think I'd gamble on before Matt Flynn?

Dennis Dixon.
I think he's every bit as viable as Flynn but I don't think that Dixon would be the type of QB that Kyle would look for:

here are some other options in the same vein as Flynn/Hoyer/Dixon:

Josh Johnson
Jimmy Clausen
Joe Webb (although I gave the same questions about Kyle wanting him as Dixon but he does come from a WCO)
Kevin O'Connell
Adam Froman
Josh Portis(WCO but same boat as see Dixon, Webb)
Dan LeFevour
Graham Harrel
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Old 01-06-2012, 08:41 AM   #246
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I think he's every bit as viable as Flynn but I don't think that Dixon would be the type of QB that Kyle would look for:

here are some other options in the same vein as Flynn/Hoyer/Dixon:

Josh Johnson
Jimmy Clausen
Joe Webb (although I gave the same questions about Kyle wanting him as Dixon but he does come from a WCO)
Kevin O'Connell
Adam Froman
Josh Portis(WCO but same boat as see Dixon, Webb)
Dan LeFevour
Graham Harrel
Skins should be drafting their own stud QBs. That's what makes this draft so critical.
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Old 01-06-2012, 10:13 AM   #247
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Skins should be drafting their own stud QBs. That's what makes this draft so critical.
I agree because the FO botched the QB decisions last year they've increased the pressure to make the correct decision in FA and the draft or else...
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I think he's every bit as viable as Flynn but I don't think that Dixon would be the type of QB that Kyle would look for:

here are some other options in the same vein as Flynn/Hoyer/Dixon:

Josh Johnson
Jimmy Clausen
Joe Webb (although I gave the same questions about Kyle wanting him as Dixon but he does come from a WCO)
Kevin O'Connell
Adam Froman
Josh Portis(WCO but same boat as see Dixon, Webb)
Dan LeFevour
Graham Harrel
That list makes me gag.
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I think he's every bit as viable as Flynn but I don't think that Dixon would be the type of QB that Kyle would look for:

here are some other options in the same vein as Flynn/Hoyer/Dixon:

Josh Johnson
Jimmy Clausen
Joe Webb (although I gave the same questions about Kyle wanting him as Dixon but he does come from a WCO)
Kevin O'Connell
Adam Froman
Josh Portis(WCO but same boat as see Dixon, Webb)
Dan LeFevour
Graham Harrel
the only 2 id take out of that list.
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Old 01-06-2012, 12:03 PM   #251
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That list makes me gag.
Rex Grossman and John Beck we're our QBs last year.
That fact should pretty much make any QB list gag proof.
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the only 2 id take out of that list.
I'm surprised anyone recognizes all the names enough to disapprove.
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One guy who is also completely unproven who I think I'd gamble on before Matt Flynn?

Dennis Dixon.
From your boys at Football Outsiders...

"It's only one game, but the simple fact is that mediocre quarterbacks are almost
never this good. On the other hand, it's not the first start of Flynn's career. Last year, Flynn started in Foxborough and completed 65 percent of his passes with three touchdowns. New England's weak secondary had a lot to do with that, but it's still not a game that looks bad on a quarterback's résumé. Flynn is 26 years old and has four years of apprenticeship in one of the best offenses in the league. His ceiling is Hall of Famer; his realistic floor is something at least close to a Pro Bowler. That's got to be worth more than an unproven rookie, doesn't it?" - Vince Verhei
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I'm surprised anyone recognizes all the names enough to disapprove.
I'm surprised you had the gall not to mention my main man...but I guess you're just throwing caution to the wind with your membership here
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I'm surprised you had the gall not to mention my main man...but I guess you're just throwing caution to the wind with your membership here
Maybe force him to have a Chase Daniel avatar for 30 days?
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