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Old 01-18-2012, 12:50 PM   #331
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Probably not a great direct comparison to Flynn's situation, but I think his point was after that game Hanie was looked at as being a QB on the rise.
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Old 01-18-2012, 01:55 PM   #332
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Probably not a great direct comparison to Flynn's situation, but I think his point was after that game Hanie was looked at as being a QB on the rise.
Yeah, exactly. Bears fans were all excited because they had 2 "good young QB" and especially the way Cutler exited the NFC Championship game under questionable circumstances some extremes called for an open competition or even for Haine to be the starter. Some thought he was the real deal after one impressive performance but turned out to be a fluke when pressed into consistent action.
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Yeah, exactly. Bears fans were all excited because they had 2 "good young QB" and especially the way Cutler exited the NFC Championship game under questionable circumstances some extremes called for an open competition or even for Haine to be the starter. Some thought he was the real deal after one impressive performance but turned out to be a fluke when pressed into consistent action.
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Old 01-18-2012, 04:31 PM   #334
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Here is a nice write up.

2012 NFL Free Agent Profile: Matt Flynn - Hogs Haven
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Old 01-18-2012, 05:59 PM   #335
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I agree. Sign him and draft at least one qb. We need competition at the position.
That is exactly right; Redskins need a starter and a backup! To me that means a FA acquisition and a draft pick to fill the void. FA could be Rex, but I rather doubt that happens. To me, the two most likey FA QB's are Flynn and Hoyer in New England. Hoyer is restricted FA.
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The Pack won't be tagging Flynn. The Skins offer whatever it takes to get him. No draft picks I'm talking money amount. Then we pick up RG3 in the draft. We grab some WR weapons in the FA bidding war and the Skins finally get an "A+" for their offseason moves and draft. Let the QBs battle it out for the starting spot. Maybe start Flynn and work RG3 in on some spread package that's added. If RG3 is the man lets work him into more playing time and we could trade Flynn next year or keep both.
By "spread package" I assume you mean something that involves using the shotgun formation. I'm just not sure the Shanahans modify the offense for anyone, not even RGIII. I can forsee the use of more rollouts and bootlegs, maybe even using the shotgun in slected down and distance situations, but not a wholesale change to that kind of system. Also Flynn is unrestricted FA and his acquisition will not involve the transfer of draft picks to Green Bay, so you get your wish on that one.
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Just can't help but wonder what Flynn would've done against NYG last night. Rodgers did not have a great game at all. No you don't entertain the thought of benching Rodgers but, what's the reason for Rodgers' unimpressive play? Yes he was under pressure and sacked five times. Yes his WRs dropped a few few balls but, an equal amount of passes (if not more) were thrown off target.
You make an excellent point. To me this just shows why Redskins should NOT put all their eggs in the QB basket! Redskins would be better served following the 49ers post-Smith plan, versus implementing the draft an "exceptional QB" plan. Ironically, the acquisition of Flynn may allow them to do just that by not giving up much needed draft picks to get the "could be but not sure" great QB in the 2012 draft.
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By "spread package" I assume you mean something that involves using the shotgun formation. I'm just not sure the Shanahans modify the offense for anyone, not even RGIII. I can forsee the use of more rollouts and bootlegs, maybe even using the shotgun in slected down and distance situations, but not a wholesale change to that kind of system. Also Flynn is unrestricted FA and his acquisition will not involve the transfer of draft picks to Green Bay, so you get your wish on that one.
This is a pretty big myth, Shanahan has modified his offense plenty through the years.. Elway was mobile, Griese was a pocket passer, Plummer was a scrambler, Cutler more pocket, McNabb pocket (because he couldn't throw on the run anymore), Grossman pocket.. He adapts to the talent playing the position.
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You make an excellent point. To me this just shows why Redskins should NOT put all their eggs in the QB basket! Redskins would be better served following the 49ers post-Smith plan, versus implementing the draft an "exceptional QB" plan. Ironically, the acquisition of Flynn may allow them to do just that by not giving up much needed draft picks to get the "could be but not sure" great QB in the 2012 draft.
That's pretty much what Lorenzo Alexander said last night on Ch 4. He liked the idea of getting Flynn and holding onto the picks instead of dumping a bunch of picks into drafting a QB.
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This is a pretty big myth, Shanahan has modified his offense plenty through the years.. Elway was mobile, Griese was a pocket passer, Plummer was a scrambler, Cutler more pocket, McNabb pocket (because he couldn't throw on the run anymore), Grossman pocket.. He adapts to the talent playing the position.
All good points, but there needs to be a codicil. In all of those situations, Shanahan was simply not forcing guys into some system that they could not handle. He may indeed decide to draft RGIII, but I just don't believe you will see modifications to the offense beyond those I itemized (more rollouts and bootlegs with some limited situational shotgun plays).
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This is my take on Matt Flynn. The guy is overrated. He has played admiringly great in the two games that he's replaced Aaron Rogers to run the first team offense. But against the Patriots last year and the Lions this year, that's only two games. The guy has not been a legitimate starter and you can't properly evaluate a back up quarterback based on what he did in just two lousy games.

Secondly, as a lot of people would agree, a free agent signing of a QB is not how you win in the NFL. In the last seven Super Bowls, a first round draft choice has played quarterback. If anything, that alone should be the standard for drafting your own QB. A free agent QB will always be hit or miss while a quarterback drafted in the first round is almost always a hit. In today's NFL, only a first round selection at quarterback guarantees success at that position.

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This is my take on Matt Flynn. The guy is overrated. He has played admiringly great in the two games that he's replaced Aaron Rogers to run the first team offense. But against the Patriots last year and the Lions this year, that's only two games. The guy has not been a legitimate starter and you can't properly evaluate a back up quarterback based on what he did in just two lousy games.

Secondly, as a lot of people would agree, a free agent signing of a QB is not how you win in the NFL. In the last seven Super Bowls, a first round draft choice has played quarterback. If anything, that alone should be the standard for drafting your own QB. A free agent QB will always be hit or miss while a quarterback drafted in the first round is almost always a hit. In today's NFL, only a first round selection at quarterback guarantees success at that position.
Drew Brees won it, he was a free agent signing, and Kurt Warner went there as a FA to Arizona
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This is my take on Matt Flynn. The guy is overrated. He has played admiringly great in the two games that he's replaced Aaron Rogers to run the first team offense. But against the Patriots last year and the Lions this year, that's only two games. The guy has not been a legitimate starter and you can't properly evaluate a back up quarterback based on what he did in just two lousy games.

Secondly, as a lot of people would agree, a free agent signing of a QB is not how you win in the NFL. In the last seven Super Bowls, a first round draft choice has played quarterback. If anything, that alone should be the standard for drafting your own QB. A free agent QB will always be hit or miss while a quarterback drafted in the first round is almost always a hit. In today's NFL, only a first round selection at quarterback guarantees success at that position.
Sorry but you're wrong on both counts.

As CB59 has already mentioned Brees was a free agent in NO, and was orginally a 2nd round pick.

We've had our share of first rounders come through here, that alone should show you that a first round QB is far from any sort of guarantee for success.
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This is my take on Matt Flynn. The guy is overrated. He has played admiringly great in the two games that he's replaced Aaron Rogers to run the first team offense. But against the Patriots last year and the Lions this year, that's only two games. The guy has not been a legitimate starter and you can't properly evaluate a back up quarterback based on what he did in just two lousy games.

Secondly, as a lot of people would agree, a free agent signing of a QB is not how you win in the NFL. In the last seven Super Bowls, a first round draft choice has played quarterback. If anything, that alone should be the standard for drafting your own QB. A free agent QB will always be hit or miss while a quarterback drafted in the first round is almost always a hit. In today's NFL, only a first round selection at quarterback guarantees success at that position.
It is still more like 50/50. Look just at last years draft for comparison. It is not that easy to get a QB.
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