What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins

44Deezel · 01-23-2012, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

^have to imagine Miami will try for Flynn only because he will already know the system they will want to run and Flynn might want to go be the definite starter there, but let's say the Skins make a better offer then who knows what he will do. Atleast with the Skins he's staying WCO and could possibly be contending. I don't think the Skins are as far off as some people think. Better QB, couple of WR weapons, we have 3 excellent RB's, and an offensive line that is getting younger and better.

And a good young Defense and loads of picks in the next 2 drafts and plenty of money to spend in Free Agency. I agree. 5 wins with a QB that turned the ball over about 25 times is a miracle.

Coff · 01-23-2012, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Carson Palmer - - a 32 year old QB who had retired rather than ever play for his previous team - - got a first and a conditional second just last year.

No one - - as in NOBODY - - thought of Palmer in the same terms that people have used to describe Andrew Luck. And now RG III shows up on the scene having won the Heismann Trophy over Luck.

The cost for either of those guys will be a minimum of three "choice draft picks". IF several teams get into a situation where they are bidding against each other for one of those guys in the draft positioning, then the cost could easily escalate to four picks or...

Would either Luck or RG III be worth two first round picks? Very possibly - - although not certainly.

Would either Luck or RG III be worth two first round picks PLUS two second round picks? Possible - - but I suspect not.

The thing abour the Palmer situation is that is says more about the Raiders and Bengals than it does about Palmer's trade value. The Raiders basically outbid themselves, and the Bengals had allowed far too much pride to get involved in the situation and were unwilling to listen to any reasonable trade proposals. Had it not been for the Raiders being the Raiders, the Bengals would have been stuck with Palmer and would have successfully cut off their nose to spite their face.

That being said, it's difficult to imagine that RGIII or Luck wouldn't command three choice picks, as you suggested.

redskin29633 · 01-23-2012, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Now that Philbin is the HC in Miami, I suppose that the Dolphins would be the favorites for Flynn.

Then again, maybe not since Philbin would know Flynn's weaknesses as well as his strengths. If Miami, with Philbin, doesn't make a play for Flynn then I certainly wouldn't want the Skins to go after him.

I certainly agree with your assertion. Also, if Flynn is really good, Philbin will know that, and Miami will bid high. The only way Redskins land Flynn now is the possiblity that Flynn may not want to play for Philbin any longer--the idea of fresh start may have some appeal to Flynn.

Dirtbag59 · 01-23-2012, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

^have to imagine Miami will try for Flynn only because he will already know the system they will want to run and Flynn might want to go be the definite starter there, but let's say the Skins make a better offer then who knows what he will do. Atleast with the Skins he's staying WCO and could possibly be contending. I don't think the Skins are as far off as some people think. Better QB, couple of WR weapons, we have 3 excellent RB's, and an offensive line that is getting younger and better.

The only team that has worse luck with big name QB's then us is Miami. It'll be interesting to see how that turns out when Flynn goes there.

SmootSmack · 01-23-2012, 03:12 PM

I wouldn't just assume that Flynn will go to Miami.

skinsfaninok · 01-23-2012, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I wouldn't just assume that Flynn will go to Miami.

Money talks

REDSKINS4ever · 01-24-2012, 03:54 AM

I keep telling people that Matt Flynn is overrated. What is all the buzz about with this guy? He's a measly back up quarterback for one. A lowly 7th round draft selection. He's never been a starter like Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning, Jason Campbell, Donovan McNabb, or Michael Vick. He's a back up quarterback that just happened to play well in two lousy games. To just look at those two games that he played well in and to miss the fact that he's been in bench warmer in all the other games is to not to properly evaluate him.

redsk1 · 01-24-2012, 09:51 AM

If the coaching staff really thought highly of Matt Flynn, would they come out and say as much? Probably not.

SBXVII · 01-24-2012, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

I keep telling people that Matt Flynn is overrated. What is all the buzz about with this guy? He's a measly back up quarterback for one. A lowly 7th round draft selection. He's never been a starter like Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning, Jason Campbell, Donovan McNabb, or Michael Vick. He's a back up quarterback that just happened to play well in two lousy games. To just look at those two games that he played well in and to miss the fact that he's been in bench warmer in all the other games is to not to properly evaluate him.

It's not about each QB in their hay day or when they were drafted it's about at this moment. No he's not better then Palmer, Manning, or McNabb when they were drafted, but he's better then them right now. He's healthy which McNabb is not usually which is why I didn't want him. Palmer has not looked like himself after his ankle injury. Manning is not healthy and wouldn't probably start day one 2012. No one compares to Vick... cause his style is so much different. He's a Cam Newton or RGIII. They are more of a scramble first type of QB. Vick is changing though. But he has had trouble staying healthy a full season.

Then there is JC. I know what we had in JC and I was ready to move on. I'm not sure why but he stopped running for the 1st downs. He threw a lot of dirt balls like McNabb. He hardly looked down field to the open WR. He never moved in the pocket to buy himself time to let plays develope. I'm not sure Flynn will do it, but he did have a really good game against a really good team. It's not like he played some piss poor team and barely won.

SBXVII · 01-24-2012, 10:47 AM

The reason Matt Flynn is such the popular choice for me is the fact he is a FA or supposed to be. The Packers can not tag him and trade him. If they tag him they are keeping him. So they have to make a decision. keep him or let him walk. If he makes it to FA, we don't have to give up draft picks to get him, we don't have to trade away players to get him. It's just throw money at him to get him to come to the Skins. Dump Grossman and Beck, bring him in at whatever cost, and draft whoever is the next best QB on the list that fits our system for developement. Someone to take over later. Because I'm betting Luck and RGIII will both be gone by #6 and I don't want the Skins to just toss picks away for one player.

Pick up one or two WR's in FA and draft a WR for developement. I like Banks but he's a preseason monster and it does not carry over to the regular season. He takes up one roster spot for one position for one good run every year. Austin has looked good preseason but otherwise is invisible.

44Deezel · 01-24-2012, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

The reason Matt Flynn is such the popular choice for me is the fact he is a FA or supposed to be. The Packers can not tag him and trade him. If they tag him they are keeping him. So they have to make a decision. keep him or let him walk. If he makes it to FA, we don't have to give up draft picks to get him, we don't have to trade away players to get him. It's just throw money at him to get him to come to the Skins. Dump Grossman and Beck, bring him in at whatever cost, and draft whoever is the next best QB on the list that fits our system for developement. Someone to take over later. Because I'm betting Luck and RGIII will both be gone by #6 and I don't want the Skins to just toss picks away for one player.

Pick up one or two WR's in FA and draft a WR for developement. I like Banks but he's a preseason monster and it does not carry over to the regular season. He takes up one roster spot for one position for one good run every year. Austin has looked good preseason but otherwise is invisible.

And they could still draft a QB in the second or late first if they trade down. If it doesn't work out it will be far less devastating than if RGIII doesn't work out after giving up several picks for him. They'll at least have a fall back with the rookie, and will still have all their picks in tact to make a move for someone like Barkley the following year. Flynn doesn't need to be all world for the Skins to be contenders. Niners and Ravens proved that.

Everyone seems to be no one side or the other on Flynn. He either sucks or is going to be great. Is it the end of the world if he just turns out to be solid? A solid QB with a little improvement to the D and running game would be enough to make the Skins a threat. The Skins won 3 Super Bowls with good, not great, QBs.

CultBrennan59 · 02-02-2012, 05:43 PM

^ I knew you were going to promote something...

Higskin · 02-02-2012, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by redsk1

If the coaching staff really thought highly of Matt Flynn, would they come out and say as much? Probably not.

I think you nailed it.

Would ping on Smoot for this but some team tried to trade for Flynn at the start of the 2011 season. I wouldn't be surprised if Skins were involved.

SmootSmack · 02-03-2012, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Higskin

I think you nailed it.

Would ping on Smoot for this but some team tried to trade for Flynn at the start of the 2011 season. I wouldn't be surprised if Skins were involved.

Know we talked to the Broncos about Orton. Never heard anything about Flynn

01-23-2012, 03:12 PM	#380
SmootSmack The Bluths Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,222	Re: What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins I wouldn't just assume that Flynn will go to Miami. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

01-24-2012, 03:54 AM	#382
REDSKINS4ever The Starter Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Born and raised in D.C. and now lives in Harlem, New York Posts: 2,036	Re: What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins I keep telling people that Matt Flynn is overrated. What is all the buzz about with this guy? He's a measly back up quarterback for one. A lowly 7th round draft selection. He's never been a starter like Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning, Jason Campbell, Donovan McNabb, or Michael Vick. He's a back up quarterback that just happened to play well in two lousy games. To just look at those two games that he played well in and to miss the fact that he's been in bench warmer in all the other games is to not to properly evaluate him.

01-24-2012, 09:51 AM	#383
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins If the coaching staff really thought highly of Matt Flynn, would they come out and say as much? Probably not.

01-24-2012, 10:47 AM	#385
SBXVII Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,498	Re: What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins The reason Matt Flynn is such the popular choice for me is the fact he is a FA or supposed to be. The Packers can not tag him and trade him. If they tag him they are keeping him. So they have to make a decision. keep him or let him walk. If he makes it to FA, we don't have to give up draft picks to get him, we don't have to trade away players to get him. It's just throw money at him to get him to come to the Skins. Dump Grossman and Beck, bring him in at whatever cost, and draft whoever is the next best QB on the list that fits our system for developement. Someone to take over later. Because I'm betting Luck and RGIII will both be gone by #6 and I don't want the Skins to just toss picks away for one player. Pick up one or two WR's in FA and draft a WR for developement. I like Banks but he's a preseason monster and it does not carry over to the regular season. He takes up one roster spot for one position for one good run every year. Austin has looked good preseason but otherwise is invisible.

02-02-2012, 05:43 PM	#387
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,721	Re: What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins ^ I knew you were going to promote something... __________________ "Anyones better than Madieu Williams"

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