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Old 01-01-2012, 10:17 PM   #61
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I still don't get why some people are willing to rationalize every decision Mike Shanahan makes?

Grossman finished the season as the 28th by QB rating.

I don't think it asking too much that our QB situation not get worse each year.
I don't think its too much to ask to have our QB finish better then 28th?

So unless 28th is okay with you there were better options.

So tell me those options and stop just stating "there were better options". I just showed you the numbers to Hasselbeck and they were almost identical. (with 3 fewer game by Rex)

Who or where were these options at?
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Old 01-01-2012, 10:20 PM   #62
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What else did you want him to say!

" Grossman is a Bum!!! and Forget this season! I am looking forward to the offseason."

C'mon think about it... Mediocre players need every encouragement to try and lift there game. Did not work.
Really? You think Rex needs any encouragement? That guy forgets the pass he threw 2 seconds ago. And Beck? Needing encouragement? Hahaha. He led his own "I'm the starter" media campaign in the offseason better than any QB in history that has never been a regular starter. Mike could have handled it better than to "stake his reputation" on either one of those joe's, neither of whom needed any sort of confidence boost.
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Old 01-01-2012, 10:22 PM   #63
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Well, Shanahan also didn't have to "stake his reputation" on these two bums either. There was a certain arrogance with which he stuck with Rex and Beck that was pretty annoying.
Not sure what you wanted Mike to say?



Guys, these two clowns are the only real options available so I'm going to roll with them until next years draft. Hang in there guys while I'm rebuilding this ship!

Listen to the words and then watch the actions. Beck played in all of 3 games. I wouldn't call that staking your reputation on him. Having him play the whole season would have been.
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What else did you want him to say!

" Grossman is a Bum!!! and Forget this season! I am looking forward to the offseason."

C'mon think about it... Mediocre players need every encouragement to try and lift there game. Did not work.
An arguably wise man once said: "five-n-eleven, not very good."

It would have been pretty moronic to rip on your starting quarterback before the season, but what was ACTUALLY said wasn't exactly much wiser. A simple "we'll explore all options" doesn't commit you to making a move and yet prevents you from looking like an imbecile at the end of the year.
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Old 01-01-2012, 10:22 PM   #65
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Really? You think Rex needs any encouragement? That guy forgets the pass he threw 2 seconds ago. And Beck? Needing encouragement? Hahaha. He led his own "I'm the starter" media campaign in the offseason better than any QB in history that has never been a regular starter. Mike could have handled it better than to "stake his reputation" on either one of those joe's, neither of whom needed any sort of confidence boost.

You are right Grossman needs no encouragement! He is a gunslinger type...but the rest of the players needed to see the coach prop him up as he was all we had!

He Know the system and let the young players we have develop. Eveb if he did not help that much.

We are getting better...Record did not show it but just look at RB and D-Line next year and Reily stepped up

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Old 01-01-2012, 10:22 PM   #66
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I think Mat Flyn would be a better pick up than resigning Grossman. But I don't think we should go after him. We need a temp starter like JC back in the mix...LOL
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Old 01-01-2012, 10:27 PM   #67
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So tell me those options and stop just stating "there were better options". I just showed you the numbers to Hasselbeck and they were almost identical. (with 3 fewer game by Rex)

Who or where were these options at?
Why would I waste my team making a list of better options?

And even if I did make a list what would be the point?
You would only beg the stats just like you did when you call Hasselbeck and Grossman's season nearly identical.

Rex Grossman finished as the 28th rated QB.
The short list would be every QB that played and finished better then 28th who was available is a better option.
Then throw in the rookie QBs.
You can figure the list out for yourself.
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Old 01-01-2012, 10:30 PM   #68
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Why would I waste my team making a list of better options?

And even if I did make a list what would be the point?
You would only beg the stats just like you did when you call Hasselbeck and Grossman's season nearly identical.

Rex Grossman finished as the 28th rated QB.
The short list would be every QB that played and finished better then 28th who was available is a better option.
Then throw in the rookie QBs.
You can figure the list out for yourself.
So in other words, you have no real options in mind, you just want to make believe like there were better options and blame the coach. I think I debunked the 3 other options there were.
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Old 01-01-2012, 10:32 PM   #69
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Mercy upon us if we go out and give Matt Flynn a Kevin Kolb type contract. That would set us back tremendously imo. People honestly think he can replicate the mild success he's had in GB here? That's a 15-1 team coming off a Super Bowl win. We're a 5-11 team that hasn't been to the playoffs in 4 years.
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Old 01-01-2012, 10:34 PM   #70
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So in other words, you have no real options in mind, you just want to make believe like there were better options and blame the coach. I think I debunked the 3 other options there were.
If that's what you considered debunked, then sure.

But of course you would have to ignore every point I made only only focus on some arbitrary list of names.

You also then have to dismiss the options based upon your ability to stretch and beg and twists stats like you did for Hasselbeck and Grossman.

It mainly requires you turning a blind eye to the fact that Grossman finished as the 28th rated QB in the league.

Yah!, sure debunked!

Mike Shanahan made the right call to go with Rex and Beck and not address the QB position via FA or draft or trade.

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Why would I waste my time making a list of better options for you?

And even if I did make a list what would be the point?
You would only beg the stats just like you did when you call Hasselbeck and Grossman's season nearly identical (lol)

Rex Grossman finished as the 28th rated QB.
Your short list would include every QB that played and finished better then 28that was available during the offseason.
Then throw in the rookie QBs and other tradeable journeymen like Flynn (then) or Joe Webb for example.
That should give you a good starting point for your list.
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I think the discussion needs to start with the fact that the Redskins opened the post-lockout period with Donovan McNabb on their roster, and moved him out so that they could get to Beck and Grossman.

McNabb did not use his time with Minnesota as a chance to prove that Washington made a horrible mistake by trading him, but Grossman arguably did not use the 2011 season to show he was an improvement over 2010 McNabb.

At best, we're talking about a release that allowed the Redskins to save some money and save some face by proving that they could lose games with Grossman just as easily as they could with McNabb, with mixed results at the QB position. Shanahan's assertion was that he believed in Grossman and he believed in Beck, and didn't believe in McNabb.

So, yeah, from a saving money standpoint, it worked. And the Redskins picked up a draft pick, which was nice. But when you don't replace a guy like McNabb on the roster, you're pretty clearly saying you have a better team without him there. And so the defense that the Redskins didn't have any better options ignores that this was, in every possible way, a conscious choice at the QB position to not pursue anyone else. Kellen Clemens aside.

And with Clemens and Beck both having played against San Francisco this year, that becomes even more evidence that it was Grossman and Beck, and that's how it was designed, and it had nothing to do with who was or wasn't available.
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You also then have to dismiss the options based upon your ability to stretch and beg and twists stats like you did for Hasselbeck and Grossman.

It mainly requires you turning a blind eye to the fact that Grossman finished as the 28th rated QB in the league.

Yah!, sure debunked!

Mike Shanahan made the right call to go with Rex and Beck and not address the QB position via FA or draft or trade.
NFL Stats: by Player Category

Actually Rex finished 18th in terms of NFL QBs. They generally rank them based on yardage. So you want to use the QB rating to show how awful Rex was, yet when I use them, it's "stretching and twisting"?

Again, what part of signing a 36 year old QB for $21 million to throw 6 less INTs is a good idea? You think that's better or even worth that very slight upgrade? Again, you think Hasselbeck even puts those numbers up without Chris Johnson? He sure as hell didn't his last year in Seattle.

Vince Young? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL I don't even need to address this.


Jake Locker. Picked ahead of us in 1st round.

Andy Dalton. Picked ahead of us in 2nd round.

You don't just pick a QB in the draft just to pick one. If you don't like them or they don't fit what you are trying to do, you pass until one comes along that does. Also, this team was lacking a ton of talent so trading up wouldn't have been a wise option.

So again, WHAT options were there? There were none. But if it suits you hatters all the more, keep on believing there were.
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Old 01-01-2012, 10:52 PM   #73
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The whole argument he's trying to have is based in false logic.
You don't need to know the 'answer'.
Especially when he 'answer' is hypothetical and subjective.
Which only leads to the type of empty pointless back and forth:
sug1:Prospect X would have been a viable answer
repl1:No prospect X wouldn't have been a viable answer because of rationale X
then rinse-wash-repeat

If you know that part X is inferior but part X is installed in your car and your car is non-functional because part X failed you don't need to know every possible alternative to correctly state that part X failed.
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You don't just pick a QB in the draft just to pick one. If you don't like them or they don't fit what you are trying to do, you pass until one comes along that does. Also, this team was lacking a ton of talent so trading up wouldn't have been a wise option.

So again, WHAT options were there? There were none. But if it suits you hatters all the more, keep on believing there were.
Especially when you have John Beck and Rex Grossman already on your roster. That would just be a waste of a pick, with the fact that they're never going to see the field and all.
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Old 01-01-2012, 11:04 PM   #75
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I mean I wish we had added a QB, namely Locker has he been available. But I get the impression a lot of people think that not adding a QB means the team just sat on its ass and made no improvements anywhere else on the roster. We're not there yet but we definitely added some key pieces.
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