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Old 01-01-2012, 11:58 PM   #76
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You don't just pick a QB in the draft just to pick one. If you don't like them or they don't fit what you are trying to do, you pass until one comes along that does. Also, this team was lacking a ton of talent so trading up wouldn't have been a wise option.

So again, WHAT options were there? There were none. But if it suits you hatters all the more, keep on believing there were.
Especially when you have John Beck and Rex Grossman already on your roster. That would just be a waste of a pick, with the fact that they're never going to see the field and all.
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Old 01-02-2012, 12:04 AM   #77
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I mean I wish we had added a QB, namely Locker has he been available. But I get the impression a lot of people think that not adding a QB means the team just sat on its ass and made no improvements anywhere else on the roster. We're not there yet but we definitely added some key pieces.
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Old 01-02-2012, 12:05 AM   #78
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Especially when you have John Beck and Rex Grossman already on your roster. That would just be a waste of a pick, with the fact that they're never going to see the field and all.

sorry but I agree with Tripp, Rex and Beck are so bad that anyone would have been better.
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Old 01-02-2012, 12:06 AM   #79
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I think a clear plan of any sort always beats just winging it out there on draft day, but I wouldn't write off RG3, Bradford, and Sanchez as being basically the same thing as Flynn. Flynn played one year in college plus two games in the pros. And his college numbers at LSU don't support the illusion that are his pro stats in those two starts. Schaub's did, and that's the big difference between him. Having the college career to support the limited sample size in the pros is really important.

I really like RG3, and don't really think Bradford and Sanchez profile as no. 1 QBs at this stage of their careers, but that's different than Flynn who has been and actually still is a no. 2 guy, and is the oldest option of the bunch. If Flynn actually profiled as a number one, you'd see the Packers franchise him and then try to trade him. And that would make him by far the least appealing option of the four.

I think Griffin profiles as a no. 1 QB in the NFL as a rookie. Would you be playing a rookie? Sure. But that seems like a lot better of an option than selling the farm for Flynn just because the QB position is a weakness.
I'm not saying they're all the same, just that none of those options are nearly as safe as say, signing drew brees or drafting luck would be. sanchez is the only one i'd be REALLY mad about, and i do agree that paying someone $8mill+ on the hope they work out isn't as appealing as getting RGIII from a cap/efficiency standpoint.

If we want RGIII or luck, we're going to have to trade up most likely though, and if we trade down we might miss the 2nd tier guy we'd like... we're bad enough that I'd rather not have a 2nd tier prospect. so if you can't get RGIII or bradford for sure, there better be a FA already in the fold. if they whiff on a QB in the draft, paying out the ... will pretty much be the only option beyond stinking it up again with rex next year.


btw, we should sign victor cruz :P just saying...
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NFL Stats: by Player Category

Actually Rex finished 18th in terms of NFL QBs. They generally rank them based on yardage. So you want to use the QB rating to show how awful Rex was, yet when I use them, it's "stretching and twisting"?
Um yeah, YOU need to listen to your own advice.
Rex finished 18th when sorted for yardage.
He's 28th when sorted for QB rating.

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I don't even need to address this.
You don't need to address it because you suggested it, not me.

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Jake Locker. Picked ahead of us in 1st round.
True, but if you consider trading up an option you can count him, I don't but since you mentioned it.

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Andy Dalton. Picked ahead of us in 2nd round.
But, he was an option they just chose not draft him in the 1st or were unable or unwilling to trade up for him in the second.


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So again, WHAT options were there? There were none. But if it suits you hatters all the more, keep on believing there were.
Hello?

Here is the list for the last time:

Every QB that was available in FA that finished better then 28th in NFL (e.g. Matt Moore, Alex Smith etc)

Every QB in the draft after Newton and Locker (e.g. Dalton to TJ Yates etc)

Every tradeable journeymen QB (e.g. Matt Flynn, Joe Webb etc)

All the QBs that fall into those groups mentioned above would make up the list.

To sum:
Every team that has better QB play(which is roughly 29 teams) made a more successful offseason decision at the QB position.
Even the 3 teams with worse QB play (Rams, Colts and Jags) arguably still are better off.
Unless your ready to write off a QB after less then 2 seasons the Rams and Jags have their QBs of the future.
And the Colts have changed from Painter to Dan Orlovsky who has a higher rating the Rex.
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In an effort to not sidetrack this thread anymore we can agree to disagree.
You think choosing Rex and Beck was a good decision I don't.
Can we discuss Flynn?
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I mean I wish we had added a QB, namely Locker has he been available. But I get the impression a lot of people think that not adding a QB means the team just sat on its ass and made no improvements anywhere else on the roster. We're not there yet but we definitely added some key pieces.
I would say there's a large difference between saying the Redskins have not improved at all at any position on the football field, which isn't true at all, vs. looking around the league at all teams and wondering exactly how many of them haven't improved at least as much in the last two years as the Redskins have.

In a vacuum, the Redskins under Shanahan have been great. Against other teams in the NFL, meh, not so much. And the quarterback situation is seemingly a large part of that.
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sorry NC I'm a HUGE Shanny guy but he ****ed up with our QB sit and did last year too.
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Especially when you have John Beck and Rex Grossman already on your roster. That would just be a waste of a pick, with the fact that they're never going to see the field and all.
If you are trying to make a point that Rex and Beck aren't the answer, then you are wasting your time. I already know this. I've said this all along. However, Rex outplayed McNabb when he was here.


I don't think we are ever going to agree with the "there were better options" part. Sure, but many of those options weren't that big of a upgrade and the cost for that minor upgrade wasn't worth it.
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I mean I wish we had added a QB, namely Locker has he been available. But I get the impression a lot of people think that not adding a QB means the team just sat on its ass and made no improvements anywhere else on the roster. We're not there yet but we definitely added some key pieces.
I'm sure the bolded is an inaccurate assumption of many posters viewpoints.
I'm sure many like myself can separately judge decisions.
Making a mistake in one areas doesn't equate to making a mistake in all areas.
I think assumptions like that needlessly lumps people into pigeon holes.
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If you are trying to make a point that Rex and Beck aren't the answer, then you are wasting your time. I already know this. I've said this all along. However, Rex outplayed McNabb when he was here.


I don't think we are ever going to agree with the "there were better options" part. Sure, but many of those options weren't that big of a upgrade and the cost for that minor upgrade wasn't worth it.
Dude, every QB in the league was a potential option if the trade or $$ parameters were correct.

Shanny could have been more aggressive finding a QB but wasn't.

Hopefully that will make him VERY aggressive in finding a QB this spring.
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sorry NC I'm a HUGE Shanny guy but he ****ed up with our QB sit and did last year too.
I'll be the first in line to say Shanny ****ed up the McNabb trade. Never liked that deal from day one.

This year? I think with the lockout and limited options in the FA market, he probably had no other choice. As soon as the lockout ended, training camp basically started the next day.

Also, I never believe paying a 36 year old Hasselbeck $21 million dollars was worth the slight upgrade he may have been at QB. Hell, he every well may have been worse than Rex here.
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Dude, every QB in the league was a potential option if the trade or $$ parameters were correct.

Shanny could have been more aggressive finding a QB but wasn't.

Hopefully that will make him VERY aggressive in finding a QB this spring.


Did you just forget about that whole lockout or what?
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I'm sure the bolded is an inaccurate assumption of many posters viewpoints.
I'm sure many like myself can separately judge decisions.
Making a mistake in one areas doesn't equate to making a mistake in all areas.
I think assumptions like that needlessly lumps people into pigeon holes.
Well like I said its my impression. Plus if I'm being totally honest I'm thinking of one person in particular who gives me this impression. But it's not you, and I won't call this person out
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Did you just forget about that whole lockout or what?
Did you forget that every team in the league managed to add many new pieces through trades and FA despite the lockout?
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However, Rex outplayed McNabb when he was here.
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I don't think we are ever going to agree with the "there were better options" part. Sure, but many of those options weren't that big of a upgrade and the cost for that minor upgrade wasn't worth it.
Degrees of upgrade not withstanding, I think you see that were options.
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