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Old 01-06-2012, 11:11 AM   #211
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Funny how there are two sides to every story. lol. I could have sworn there was an article about the Browns owner being "infatuated" with RGIII way back in Oct. or Nov. I can't find it. Leading up to the end of the season there has been much speculation as to whats going to happen to McCoy. You get on concussion and it makes it easier for you to get a second and after it keeps getting easier with every new concussion. So I can see where the Brown would want to explore possibly taking a QB in this years draft:
Shurmur won’t say if McCoy, Hillis have a future in Cleveland | ProFootballTalk

Then there is Holmgren mentioning there will be QB competition next year:
Holmgren: McCoy will face quarterback competition | ProFootballTalk

Then there is this little ditty:
Shurmur on RG3: “Good players fit in every offense” | ProFootballTalk

Shurmur being the HC might get into trouble for the comment above:
Shurmur possibly will be hearing from the league over Griffin remarks | ProFootballTalk

Whats my point.... don't rule the Browns out of wanting a QB. Too many people here seem to think that because the Browns drafted McCoy last year they won't take another QB, or that because the team needs a RB they won't take a QB. I'm telling you.... "IF" RGIII does not get taken by the Colts, there are still possibilities that the other 4 teams ahead of the Skins might take a QB. Rumor is the Rams might take him and trade Bradford or keep both because of Bradfords contract. Another rumor is the Vikes might be interested and they could draft RGIII and trade or cut Ponder.
As I pointed out the Browns are salivating at the thought of drafting RGIII so it's almost no way he'd make it past them. and lastly the Bucks. We don't know who their HC is going to be and or who that HC might want as his QB when he gets there.

Personally moving up will cost too much especially with now a limited supply of top ranked QB's waiting to be drafted. Before we had Luck, RGIII, Landry, Barkley. Two are staying in college and if we have to move up you don't think those teams ahead of us aren't thinking ...how bad does someone want RGIII?

I foresee us either taking a top WR as a weapon, especially if we get a FA QB then drafting another QB in the second round, or we move back for more picks and still do what I said.
Unless I'm reading it wrong are you saying that you'd be surprised if the Colts don't take RGIII?
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Old 01-06-2012, 12:01 PM   #212
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Anyone who thinks the Browns would not strongly consider RG3 is in the minority. Most Redskins fans who want RG3 realize the Browns are the biggest obstacle. They need to trade up to have any chance of getting him...someone will either take him for themselves or trade the pick long before he gets to #6.
For what it's worth, I spoke with Ourlads' Dan Shonka on the local sports talk radio show call-in period the other day with exactly this question -- what will Mike Holmgren do?

According to Shonka, Holmgren believes that McCoy was best suited for the West Coast offense, and is more likely to spend his draft pick getting help for McCoy, perhaps Blackmon or Matt Kalil.

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For what it's worth, I spoke with Ourlads' Dan Shonka on the local sports talk radio show call-in period the other day with exactly this question -- what will Mike Holmgren do?

According to Shonka, Holmgren believes that McCoy was best suited for the West Coast offense, and is more likely to spend his draft pick getting help for McCoy, perhaps Blackmon or Matt Kalil.

Just one guy's opinion, of course.
I'd be surprised if Kalil lasts even to #4. Shonka makes a valid point. I think, based on what I had heard they were set on Barkley. With him no longer in play I don't know what they're thinking really. One day it sounds like they want to move on from McCoy, others it sounds like they want to build around him, and yet others it sounds like they want to bring a veteran in and have McCoy sit for a bit
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For what it's worth, I spoke with Ourlads' Dan Shonka on the local sports talk radio show call-in period the other day with exactly this question -- what will Mike Holmgren do?

According to Shonka, Holmgren believes that McCoy was best suited for the West Coast offense, and is more likely to spend his draft pick getting help for McCoy, perhaps Blackmon or Matt Kalil.

Just one guy's opinion, of course.
Its worth something b/c at least Shonka has legit connections.
The word from the Browns beat reports supports this thought also.
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For what it's worth, I spoke with Ourlads' Dan Shonka on the local sports talk radio show call-in period the other day with exactly this question -- what will Mike Holmgren do?

According to Shonka, Holmgren believes that McCoy was best suited for the West Coast offense, and is more likely to spend his draft pick getting help for McCoy, perhaps Blackmon or Matt Kalil.

Just one guy's opinion, of course.
That would certainly be nice. I still think there is no way that we can get him, as some QB needy team will no doubt trade up to a team itching to acquire more picks. The only thing we can really hope for is a terrible combine performance. Otherwise, I'm hitching my wagon to Ryan Tannehill.
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John clayton seems to think the skins will draft RG3.. Of course it's only JAN
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its really hard to predict what will happen at this point in time obviously. i remember last year people were projecting cam newton at around 20 in the first round, and obviously he went #1. lets see how combines go.
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For what it's worth, I spoke with Ourlads' Dan Shonka on the local sports talk radio show call-in period the other day with exactly this question -- what will Mike Holmgren do?

According to Shonka, Holmgren believes that McCoy was best suited for the West Coast offense, and is more likely to spend his draft pick getting help for McCoy, perhaps Blackmon or Matt Kalil.

Just one guy's opinion, of course.
That's definitely possible but my real point is that the Redskins need to assume RG3 will be gone by #6 one way or the other. So their plan can not be to draft RG3 at #6. The plan needs to either be to trade up for him or target a different QB. If last years QB plan was really to draft locker at #10 then we all saw how that worked out...
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That's definitely possible but my real point is that the Redskins need to assume RG3 will be gone by #6 one way or the other. So their plan can not be to draft RG3 at #6. The plan needs to either be to trade up for him or target a different QB. If last years QB plan was really to draft locker at #10 then we all saw how that worked out...
Yeah I don't see any way we end up with RGIII at 6. Also, free agency starts long before the draft, so if we have any interest in a guy like Flynn, we'll have to pull the trigger before we see how the whole Luck/RGII and possibly Sam Bradford scenarios play out. Or maybe we just stay and 6th and reach for a guy like Tannehill... It's going to be a quite a ride.
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Yeah I don't see any way we end up with RGIII at 6. Also, free agency starts long before the draft, so if we have any interest in a guy like Flynn, we'll have to pull the trigger before we see how the whole Luck/RGII and possibly Sam Bradford scenarios play out. Or maybe we just stay and 6th and reach for a guy like Tannehill... It's going to be a quite a ride.

I think we need to go hard after Matt Flynn, I mean we can still draft a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round too.
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We ain't getting Luck and I really think Cleveland takes RG3
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Whats my point.... don't rule the Browns out of wanting a QB. Too many people here seem to think that because the Browns drafted McCoy last year they won't take another QB, or that because the team needs a RB they won't take a QB. I'm telling you.... "IF" RGIII does not get taken by the Colts, there are still possibilities that the other 4 teams ahead of the Skins might take a QB. Rumor is the Rams might take him and trade Bradford or keep both because of Bradfords contract. Another rumor is the Vikes might be interested and they could draft RGIII and trade or cut Ponder.
As I pointed out the Browns are salivating at the thought of drafting RGIII so it's almost no way he'd make it past them. and lastly the Bucks. We don't know who their HC is going to be and or who that HC might want as his QB when he gets there.

Personally moving up will cost too much especially with now a limited supply of top ranked QB's waiting to be drafted. Before we had Luck, RGIII, Landry, Barkley. Two are staying in college and if we have to move up you don't think those teams ahead of us aren't thinking ...how bad does someone want RGIII?

I foresee us either taking a top WR as a weapon, especially if we get a FA QB then drafting another QB in the second round, or we move back for more picks and still do what I said.
I see no logic in St. Louis drafting Robert Griffin III and keeping Sam Bradford.
While it's possible Minnesota could draft Griffin III, I doubt it happens.
The Browns are definitely a possibility, as I don't think they are completely sold on Colt McCoy.

I don't think it will cost too much for the Redskins to move up to #2. It is going to be a hefty ransom, but this is probably the only time I fully support the Redskins going all in to grab what many feel will be a franchise QB from day one. Either one, Luck or RG III, I'm fine with the Redskins doing what they need to do to land them. Other QBs in the draft - I don't see the Redskins drafting any of them at #6, which tells me that they are not guys that probably can be thrown into the fire and succeed from day one. So, in that case, the Redskins would have to give a hefty payday to a free agent QB, because Mike Shanahan will have pressure on him to land a franchise QB this offseason. This doesn't seem applicable to me in my opinion. Bruce Allen is not going to give up a huge payday to a free agent that may or may not live up to that potential. It would probably be more cost efficient for the Redskins to move up in the draft than it would to land one of the free agents. I do see the Redskins picking up a young guy in free agency (Jimmy Clausen) to be a backup and a development QB, but if they want a day one franchise starter, I just think it's RG III or Luck or it's bust.

And trust me, I have been going back and forth with this for weeks, but the more I think about it, and the closer we get to the draft, the more I'm starting to see it being more of a possibility that the Redskins do move up for a QB. I might change my opinions (yet again) after the combine though. :/
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Yeah I don't see any way we end up with RGIII at 6. Also, free agency starts long before the draft, so if we have any interest in a guy like Flynn, we'll have to pull the trigger before we see how the whole Luck/RGII and possibly Sam Bradford scenarios play out. Or maybe we just stay and 6th and reach for a guy like Tannehill... It's going to be a quite a ride.

I just don't think the Redskins draft a QB at #6. If they draft a QB in the first round, it's going to be either because they move up, or they trade down and grab Tannehill toward the end of the first round or the second. Like I said before, I'm starting to believe more that the Redskins will actually move up to snag RG III. I didn't think so before when Barkley and Jones were possibilities.

As far as free agency, I'm thinking the 'skins pick up someone like Jimmy Clausen on the cheap as a backup guy (replacing John Beck) and drafting one of the two top QBs in the draft. Other than Cleveland, who else who truly needs a QB will be a good position to move up?
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Unless I'm reading it wrong are you saying that you'd be surprised if the Colts don't take RGIII?
I honestly think they will take Luck but... there is some grumbling about RGIII's stock having gone up and teams are starting to view him as good or better then Luck. I'm not saying I think he is or isn't, I'm saying what some rumors are out there.

So what I mean is there is a possibility even the Colts might find RGIII worth looking at and if they don't take him (which most of us figure they won't) there are other teams starting to get interested in him that are in front of us. My point being I don't see a snow balls chance in you know what that we get him. Unless we throw a ton of picks at whoever is in front of the Browns and I really don't think that will happen. Comes down to supply and demand and with only two top QB left on the market demand will be higher. Miami might even weigh in on trying to move up.

My preference would be for the team to take whatever is the next best QB on the list at #6 because they might not be there in the second round, but I'd also be ok with the team taking a viable #1 WR at #6 and get the QB in the 2nd round to develope. But I'd like to see them get a good Vet QB in FA if they are going to do that cause most likely the Rookie QB might not be ready to start.
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I just don't think the Redskins draft a QB at #6. If they draft a QB in the first round, it's going to be either because they move up, or they trade down and grab Tannehill toward the end of the first round or the second. Like I said before, I'm starting to believe more that the Redskins will actually move up to snag RG III. I didn't think so before when Barkley and Jones were possibilities.

As far as free agency, I'm thinking the 'skins pick up someone like Jimmy Clausen on the cheap as a backup guy (replacing John Beck) and drafting one of the two top QBs in the draft. Other than Cleveland, who else who truly needs a QB will be a good position to move up?
I like your response to my comment. I agree with you. If the team wants RGIII they are going to have to move up ahead of the Browns somehow. But I think the cost will be too much. Thats the only area where we are different. and I don't think MS will trade because of it being too costly. But no one ever knows what will happen.

Personally I think they will go hard for a Vet in FA and if they haven't had to give up their 1st or 2nd round draft pick they might still try to trade up, but the trade up depends on at what cost. I also think depending on who they get as a Vet might depend on whether they think it's worth holding off until the 2nd round to take a QB or if they should look into trading up.

It only makes sense. If you get a really good Vet then you can pick up a later round QB and develope him. There will be a need to fill the Vet spot Beck leaves. and what do they do with Grossman? if he leaves or the team does not retain him then there will be another spot to fill. If the team doesn't get a quality QB in FA then they should go after RGIII.
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