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Old 01-18-2012, 07:55 AM   #661
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He has a good arm, good mobility, and is a great leader. Went 22-5 the last 2 seasons, he wins! I like him a lot if we could get him with our 2nd round pick. I love RGIII but I don't want to trade the farm for him, when we have plenty of other players in this draft that can help us at O-line, CB, Safety, ILB, WR., etc.

*If Shanny/Allen do decide to trade for RGIII, I will be on board with it, and all in. Just wouldnt be my 1st choice. If Cleveland doesn't draft him I will chug a record amount of beers.
The thing I like most about Cousins is that he plays his best in crunch time. He led a beautiful drive with time expiring in their bowl game and that wasn't the only time he did that as a Senior.

He has good size, a good arm, and he's athletic enough to play in the NFL. I think he would be a very good pick in the 3rd round.
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Old 01-18-2012, 08:17 AM   #662
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Here's the problem with the whole 'gather picks' idea. The reason it works for New England and Philly (except last year) is because they already have a core of highly talented players and can afford to use the shotgun approach to the draft and hope they hit on some good players with 10-12 picks. We need to hit on most of our picks or leverage some of them to get to the place where we have that talented core.

The mindset of gathering picks is akin to 'we need to draft more OL'. There are only 53 roster spots and 22 starters. Let's say for example we get another 12 picks and 11 of them make the team again. Let's also say that the holdovers from Shanny's 1st 2 classes stick around also. That's 25-26 of a 53 man roster with less than 3 years experience, including many late rounders. How good do you think that team will really be? That's also removing 10-11 players from this roster and that's not accounting for any free agent pickups.

Your scenario would seemingly reduce the number of overall players we pick up for a top heavy draft but again, put the controller down, it just doesn't happen that way in the real world.
I think you may have skimmed over the two qualifying statements I made as conditions to going with the draft strategy I proposed.

First, I would do this if we sign Matt Flynn.

Second, I would do this if we have a good FA crop. Let's say, for example, that we were able to land QB Matt Flynn, WR Vincent Jackson, and C Chris Myers.

That would put us in a position to draft fewer players overall but more higher round players who could be difference makers for this team. I might even want to trade more picks to draft two first rounders or three second rounders. I want a draft class that looks something like this: OG David DeCastro, RB LaMichael James, FS Markelle Martin, OT Ricky Wagner, ILB Tank Carder. As far as I'm concerned, that could be our entire draft.

That would add eight good players to our team. What's wrong with that scenario?

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A) When did he say Cutler was coming here now? That was from 2 years ago and B) Don't insult Cutler by calling him Grossman2
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Old 01-18-2012, 08:53 AM   #664
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Interestingly, Jason Campbell was not great but at least he would have been cheap and wouldn't have cost us multiple draft picks and years of agony over McNabb, Rexy, and some guy named Beck. Bad choices come back to haunt you. But yes -- now we need a real QB.


My choices in order of preference:
1) Bradford (if this happens, would be ecstatic).
2) Luck (if Colts pass on him so Peyton and rookie get along better)
3) RG3 - I'm still skeptical on running QBs, but does seem smarter & accurate..
4) Flynn - one game wonder, sure, but he still looked better than Rex ever did.
5) Orton - doesn't seem to win, but his numbers always seem to look good
6) Hoyer - Wouldn't be excited about this, but rumors here say he's highly regarded


Bradford would be wonderful, because we could land a proven franchise QB. Our O-line and WR core sucks - but is probably better than the Rams. Think he would do well here. I've read Clausen's name thrown around, but wouldn't want him here - seems like a bust already.
I think Bradford would be a perfect fit here, do have concerns about his health though

I don't think trading for Luck would necessarily be much more difficult than RG3

I don't think I'd label RG3 a "running QB" but I do think the gap between him and Luck is greater than others do

Not against getting Flynn that shouldn't be our only QB move then

Would tolerate Orton as a stopgap/backup as long as we draft a QB (or two)

I haven't seen enough of him, but there is a lot (A LOT) of buzz about him. Rumors of him coming here, of him returning home to Ohio to play for the Browns, of the Chiefs even showing interest. I've talked to a few scouts who have said Hoyer is better than Flynn. I don't know
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Here's the problem with the whole 'gather picks' idea. The reason it works for New England and Philly (except last year) is because they already have a core of highly talented players and can afford to use the shotgun approach to the draft and hope they hit on some good players with 10-12 picks. We need to hit on most of our picks or leverage some of them to get to the place where we have that talented core.

The mindset of gathering picks is akin to 'we need to draft more OL'. There are only 53 roster spots and 22 starters. Let's say for example we get another 12 picks and 11 of them make the team again. Let's also say that the holdovers from Shanny's 1st 2 classes stick around also. That's 25-26 of a 53 man roster with less than 3 years experience, including many late rounders. How good do you think that team will really be? That's also removing 10-11 players from this roster and that's not accounting for any free agent pickups.

Your scenario would seemingly reduce the number of overall players we pick up for a top heavy draft but again, put the controller down, it just doesn't happen that way in the real world.
I love the idea of having over half of the team in their early 20's. This is one thing that a lot of 'skins fans complained about when Gibbs was here last - the team was one of the oldest teams in the league. I love the idea of building through the draft and adding just the right touch of young free agents. It's exactly what we should be doing. It tells me if most of those draft picks of Allen and Shanahan make the team, then the front office is doing a great job with their picks. So far, the majority have turned out to contribute.
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Old 01-18-2012, 09:03 AM   #666
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Yeah, but Cassell is not a bum, and he never looked as good as Flynn did. There are a lot of guys who can get hot and throw for over 300 yards and 3-4 TDs, but 480 and 6? Damn!

You forgot to mention the 7 or 8 turnovers he's had in just two games. That puts Rex to shame.



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I think most fans want RGIII, me included, but there's nothing wrong with being worried about what he will cost. If we give up 4 or more high picks, and he doesn't pan out we're going to be in for some next level pain and misery.



Which is why I don't think Shanny sells the farm just to get him. I think he stays the course, moves down and drafts a QB with our 2nd pick (or first depending on how far we move)
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You forgot to mention the 7 or 8 turnovers he's had in just two games. That puts Rex to shame.
Are we talking about Flynn?

He appeared in 5 regular season games this year with 6 TDs, 2 INTs, and 1 lost fumble.

Exaggerate much? lol
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Are we talking about Flynn?

He appeared in 5 regular season games this year with 6 TDs, 2 INTs, and 1 lost fumble.

Exaggerate much? lol
I'm talking about the two games that people like to point to(NE game last year). I think he had 7 turnovers(could have been 6) during those two games. I think Dirtbag made a post about it. Wasn't sure the exact amount, but I know it was insane considering he only played two games. Even 6 turnovers in 2 games is way too much.
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Against NE last year he had 3 TDs, 1 INT, and 1 lost fumble.

For his entire career he has 9 TDs, 5 INTs, and 2 lost fumbles.

Maybe I'm missing something.
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Against NE last year he had 3 TDs, 1 INT, and 1 lost fumble.

For his entire career he has 9 TDs, 5 INTs, and 2 lost fumbles.

Maybe I'm missing something.
9 TDs to 7 turnovers?...lol Not a good ratio. So he had 5 turnovers between the NE and Detroit game. Still a bit high considering both of them were bad defenses.
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I think you may have skimmed over the two qualifying statements I made as conditions to going with the draft strategy I proposed.

First, I would do this if we sign Matt Flynn.

Second, I would do this if we have a good FA crop. Let's say, for example, that we were able to land QB Matt Flynn, WR Vincent Jackson, and C Chris Myers.

That would put us in a position to draft fewer players overall but more higher round players who could be difference makers for this team. I might even want to trade more picks to draft two first rounders or three second rounders. I want a draft class that looks something like this: OG David DeCastro, RB LaMichael James, FS Markelle Martin, OT Ricky Wagner, ILB Tank Carder. As far as I'm concerned, that could be our entire draft.

That would add eight good players to our team. What's wrong with that scenario?
It was late and I did skim so I previously missed your conditions of a good FA crop and signed Flynn so my bad. It doesn't really do anything to change my point though. What doing that does is reduce the quality of our depth and presumably the effectiveness of our special teams. You need veterans to hold many of the roster spots between 25-43 so you have proven players in case a starter goes down. The bottom of your roster is great for young players to develop long term but you really don't want to count on 10-15 first or second year players as starters or major contributors.

Even the scenario of fewer picks but them all being higher round guys, again that rarely (if ever) happens in the league.
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Well, we're talking about a small sample, and a guy that doesn't play regularly. I wouldn't look too far into his stats either way.
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I truly don't see how we are going to get a QB worth anything, Cleveland has more to give to move up[ for RG3 and there will be competition for Flynn, don't want to give up the farm for Hoyer.There's just not a lot of options especially with other teams needing QB's also.
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Well, we're talking about a small sample, and a guy that doesn't play regularly. I wouldn't look too far into his stats either way.
Very true. That's why I think it's hard to give that guy big money based on his small sample AND his talent evaluation back when he was drafted. Some team will though no doubt. QB is such a high commodity.
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I feel like a lot of people have changed their opinion on the whole trade picks to get your QB idea. I don't remember such a groundswell of support for Cutler
Not me...but your right. I wanted the Cutler trade and 90% of the people on here told me I was crazy. And now several years later we still have no QB...
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