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Old 01-18-2012, 11:06 AM   #706
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There are always going to be "knocks" on guys as highly touted as RGIII, because there are no guarantees, and history tells us that the odds are 50/50at best for QBs taken in the top 10-15 picks. Even Luck is not a lock. I think most fans want RGIII, me included, but there's nothing wrong with being worried about what he will cost. If we give up 4 or more high picks, and he doesn't pan out we're going to be in for some next level pain and misery.

Couldn't see us giving up four or more high draft picks. It took three to pull off the ElI Manning/Philip Rivers trade.
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Old 01-18-2012, 12:06 PM   #707
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It seems that every offseason there are posters who want us to be conservative at the QB position and either draft one in later rounds or sign one in free agency. Unfortunately that finding diamonds in the rough strategy s ofetn analogous to trying to catch lightning in a bottle. I am a firm believer that we need to be aggressive in identifying a securing our qb of the future. If MS feels he sees one in this current draft, then spend what you have to to go and get him. I don't hear NY fans moaning about what they gave up for Eli. However, I do see skins fans griping about bad QB play year in and year out.
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What about Brady Quinn? Thought he was a FA this year too?
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What about Brady Quinn? Thought he was a FA this year too?
Yes. Will be interesting to see what happens with him. Have heard he currently likes the stability of being in Denver. But if he has the chance to start somewhere else....though I'm not sure where that would be
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It seems that every offseason there are posters who want us to be conservative at the QB position and either draft one in later rounds or sign one in free agency. Unfortunately that finding diamonds in the rough strategy s ofetn analogous to trying to catch lightning in a bottle. I am a firm believer that we need to be aggressive in identifying a securing our qb of the future. If MS feels he sees one in this current draft, then spend what you have to to go and get him. I don't hear NY fans moaning about what they gave up for Eli. However, I do see skins fans griping about bad QB play year in and year out.
I agree, 1 franchise QB is better than three 1st rounders at Oline, Dline and secondary. Cause hes gona make those second tier guys a whole lot better.
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It's like digging through the trash can trying to find quality meal.
I agree with you too. The team might as well start looking to improve in other areas if they aren't willing to do what's necessary to draft a top QB prospect.

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NOthing wrong with building thru the draft.. Flooding the roster with 1st, 2nd and 3rd year players based on sheer volume however isn't a strategy for success.

Maybe I'll restate to clarify. In a 7 round draft where we hold picks in all rounds, a team can call 3 starters and a 2 backups an excellent draft, 2 starters and 3 backups a good draft and 1-2 starters and 1-2 backups an average draft.

2007 we had an awful draft. Landry was the only starter. HB Blades was the only backup.

2008 we had an awful draft. No starters. Davis was the only quality player, Jackson the only remaining backup.

2009 we had an awful draft. Orakpo was the only starter. Barnes the only remaining backup.

2010 we had an average draft. Williams and Riley are starters, Austin is a backup.

2011 we had a potentially excellent draft. Kerrigan, Jenkins, Hankerson all look like starters. Helu looks like he will either start or be part of a strong rotation. Gomes, Paul, Royster, Hurt, Nield all are backups.

Replicating 2011 will be difficult simply based on averages that most drafts don't provide that level of depth. But since we had an excellent draft in 2011 we can afford to be more aggressive in moving up to get a player without the risk of not filling needed holes. We also don't have a need as we did last year to 'stock up on picks' in this draft for the sake of getting younger. The 2011 draft really just averaged out the 2007-2009 drafts in terms of the number of expected starters and backups from each draft.

If anything if we move back, we should be looking to acquire 2013 picks. That's what NE does better than anyone, build forward.

Nothing wrong with getting younger, but young for the sake of young doesn't build winners.
Certainly good points. I like the idea of trading picks for future picks as well - making sure there's a "full" draft for the Redskins each and every year. The Redskins have about eight picks this year. Last year they had 12, and most of them all contributed or will contribute this season (Hankerson, Jenkins.) Let's say 4 out of the 8 this year become starters or at least get a lot of playing time this coming season, that's a pretty good amount of young guys in there. I don't think the Redskins necessarily HAVE to do this every season, beyond of course building and maintaining depth. And I know finding the diamonds in the rough is quite difficult when it comes to quarterback play, but on the other hand, finding a sure bet starter as a qb is not automatic by any means. For every Big Ben, Peyton Manning, or Cam Newton, there's plenty of Ryan Leafs, Heath Shulers, and Patrick Ramseys.

Joe Montana was not highly regarded coming out of college, but he turned out pretty good. I think it just really depends on who your scouts are. Anybody can look at an Andrew Luck or a RG III and easily see the talent or be fooled completely. It's finding those guys that for one reason or another, their stock went down, but knowing that they have certain qualities that meets NFL standards that aren't looked at by the talking heads on the radio or on the NFL Network. I think that coupled with the quality of your coaching staff really determines if that pick turns out great or not.

We used to laugh at the Patrick Ramsey disciples about how he was never given a "chance" to succeed in Washington. Looking back on it, I sort of understand it. I think he was probably one of those guys where he needed that development and precise coaching to really turn into a great QB, because he wasn't good enough to overcome bad coaching on his own.

I said that to say that I believe in this coaching staff, and I think picking a guy like Tannehill or maybe Foles would be the right thing for those guys, because they have a great coaching staff that could be there for them during their most critical points in their career. So, it could possibly be true that the Redskins don't necessarily NEED to bet the farm away for an RG III or an Andrew Luck. They could possibly succeed with a lower draft pick.
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Here are the QB who potentially could be available at one point or another (excluding draft picks) this offseason:
Peyton Manning
Kevin Kolb
Mark Sanchez
Chad Henne
Matt Flynn
Brian Hoyer
Kyle Orton
Matt Leinart

I didn't put Sam Bradford on the list because Fisher noted him as a main reason he chose St. Louis over Miami. But the Manning decision will impact at least 3-4 teams. Let's say for example Manning is released, signs with Arizona who trades Kolb to the Browns meaning they are no longer in play for RGIII. Or the scenario that SS put out there that the Jets sign Manning, then trade Sanchez here. Until March 8, the QB derby is all speculation. If Manning is free then many doors open.
Well since you put it that way I'll hold on to hope thanks PT.

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Well since you put it that way I'll hold on to hope thanks PT.
I've stated many times that my preference is to trade up for RGIII and sign a lower level free agent or keep Grossman to back him up. As for plan B, I'd rather sign Henne than Flynn or Hoyer and draft Tannehill or Foles in the 2nd round. My wild speculation is if the Colts retain Manning then Luck forces a trade of the #1 pick because he doesn't want to sit behind Manning and we go up to get him.
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I've stated many times that my preference is to trade up for RGIII and sign a lower level free agent or keep Grossman to back him up. As for plan B, I'd rather sign Henne than Flynn or Hoyer and draft Tannehill or Foles in the 2nd round. My wild speculation is if the Colts retain Manning then Luck forces a trade of the #1 pick because he doesn't want to sit behind Manning and we go up to get him.
Clearly what's going to happen is...

Manning will convince the Colts that they need to draft Blackmon after they lose Garcon and Wayne in FA

The Rams, already set at QB, will shore up their offensive line with Matt Kalil

The Vikings will forgot to turn in their pick and will not draft anyone at 3

The Browns will take RG3

The Bucs facing Cam Newton, Drew Brees, and Matt Ryan 6 times a year will lock up Morris Claiborne as Aqib Talib leaves for Tennessee and Ronde Barber retires

The Redskins take Andrew Luck at #6!!!!!
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Good point Smoot but I just saw a website that had us giving up the #6 pick the #39 pick and a 2013 2nd rounder to move up and take RGIII. If we pull that off I would be estatic.
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Clearly what's going to happen is...

Manning will convince the Colts that they need to draft Blackmon after they lose Garcon and Wayne in FA

The Rams, already set at QB, will shore up their offensive line with Matt Kalil

The Vikings will forgot to turn in their pick and will not draft anyone at 3

The Browns will take RG3

The Bucs facing Cam Newton, Drew Brees, and Matt Ryan 6 times a year will lock up Morris Claiborne as Aqib Talib leaves for Tennessee and Ronde Barber retires

The Redskins take Andrew Luck at #6!!!!!
Well yeah, obviously but if I stated it that clearly and succinctly nobody would bother keep coming into the threads.. I was trying to keep your traffic numbers up. Good job of screwing it up for everyone SS. See you in August!
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Well yeah, obviously but if I stated it that clearly and succinctly nobody would bother keep coming into the threads.. I was trying to keep your traffic numbers up. Good job of screwing it up for everyone SS. See you in August!
LOL. Oops
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Good point Smoot but I just saw a website that had us giving up the #6 pick the #39 pick and a 2013 2nd rounder to move up and take RGIII. If we pull that off I would be estatic.
That'd be great if that's all it took

What site was that?
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