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Old 01-14-2012, 11:08 PM   #181
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Hands down for me Brady has done more with less his entire career and is the best qb of all time.
Absolutely no way. Again, let's look at the defenses. Having a top 5 defense compared to having a bottom 5 defense. It's not even REMOTELY in the same ball park.

Again. The cold hard facts that the Patriots go 11-5 WITHOUT Brady solidifies my argument and pretty much makes yours invalid. The fact the Colts go from a 10-6 playoff team to the #1 draft pick in the NFL also backs up that case.


Hey guys, I guess Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson are better QBs than Dan Marino!!! That's pretty much the type of argument you are using.
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I would say greatest in NFL today but I wouldn't even say top ten all time. The rules today favor the passing game so much that it is hard to compare different eras. Marino, Montana, Jurgenson, Young, Kelly, Stabler, Bradshaw, Baugh and others could all get over 5,000 yards every season today. Especially throwing underneath to Welker and Gronkowski and then watching them add 50 yac.
Nuts. He won 3 Super Bowls with scrubs at WR. Troy Brown? Welker and Gronkowski just showed up 5 minutes ago, and Welker didn't do jack in Miami. Once you get past the top 4-5 WRs, the next 50 are interchangeable. Hell, Santana Moss has a 1500 yard season. Victor Cruz?
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Old 01-14-2012, 11:11 PM   #183
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Brady had Randy Moss.
For 3 seasons, and only one of which saw them make the Superbowl and that was also the only one of the 4 Brady led Patriot teams that lost a Superbowl.
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Old 01-14-2012, 11:15 PM   #184
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Stokley, Garcon, Pollard, Collie??????????? Really? Without Manning you wouldn't know who those guys are.
Exactly. I keep hearing about all this "talent" he's had and the truth is, he's made them.


What did Edjerrin James do when he left the Colts? Absolutely nothing.


With all that "talent", and they ranked 27th in passing.
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Manning Is one of the best ever top 10 but he has a losing playoff record and has only won one sb. Bradys playoff record is very good and has won 3 titles and maybe 4 this season sorry but the NFL is about winning and Brady has more than Manning

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Pussy move by Miller take your ass kicking like a man

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Old 01-14-2012, 11:23 PM   #187
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Nuts. He won 3 Super Bowls with scrubs at WR. Troy Brown? Welker and Gronkowski just showed up 5 minutes ago, and Welker didn't do jack in Miami. Once you get past the top 4-5 WRs, the next 50 are interchangeable. Hell, Santana Moss has a 1500 yard season. Victor Cruz?

Troy Brown had a 1200 yard season Tom's first year. If you look at Tom's progression, he didn't hit a QB rating of 90 until 2004. Up until then, the numbers were kind of meh.


Wait, so Welker sucked in Miami but now is beastly? So are you saying he's a scrub and only good because of Brady? In the same breath, you say Manning had all this talent....lol He's also been with the Pats since 2007 so it's been longer than 5 minutes.
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Ahhhh geez Brady vs Manning is awesome! Never loses it's innate humor
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I'll second that skinsfaninok. What a punk move by Miller. Take your ass whipping like a man. Also lol at a Tom Brady punt on third down. Guess Emperor Belichick has decided to play it safer instead of going for it on third/fourth down in a meaningless blowout, ala 2007.
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Put the Broncos in the mix to go after Flynn and/or RGIII, it's going to be a brutal battle between Cleveland, Redskins, Miami and Denver.
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Welker didn't do jack in Miami? Ok then.
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Manning Is one of the best ever top 10 but he has a losing playoff record and has only won one sb. Bradys playoff record is very good and has won 3 titles and maybe 4 this season sorry but the NFL is about winning and Brady has more than Manning

Reggie Wayne? Marvin Harrison Dallas clark??

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Seriously guy. Why do you keep ignoring the defenses? I repeat, Tom's Patriots have rocked a top 5 defense each time they went to the Super Bowl. Offense doesn't generally win you Super Bowls, defenses does. Don't act like it doesn't play a part, you know good and god damn well it plays a HUGE part in how far you go.


Wayne also had 500 yard less this year than he did with Manning the prior year. Looks like he's down to being a scrub without Peyton.

Marvin Harrison?
Marvin Harrison, WR at NFL.com

You mean the same Marvin Harrison that didn't do jack shit until Peyton arrived?


Keep on grasping at straws about how this "better talent' he had. :frusty:
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Welker didn't do jack in Miami? Ok then.
Which is why New England traded a 2nd round pick for him.
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Absolutely no way. Again, let's look at the defenses. Having a top 5 defense compared to having a bottom 5 defense. It's not even REMOTELY in the same ball park.

Again. The cold hard facts that the Patriots go 11-5 WITHOUT Brady solidifies my argument and pretty much makes yours invalid. The fact the Colts go from a 10-6 playoff team to the #1 draft pick in the NFL also backs up that case.


Hey guys, I guess Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson are better QBs than Dan Marino!!! That's pretty much the type of argument you are using.
Yeah, but they went 18-1 the year before with Brady, and he set the single season record for TDs with 50 (breaking Manning's record). If it weren't for mind boggling drops by Brady's receivers, Manning wouldn't even have a ring. He put his team ahead with 2 minutes to go against the Giants in the Super Bowl, and it took one of the biggest circus plays of all time for the Giants to win that game. Brady is clutch while Manning spends 30 seconds each play trying to figure out how he's going to outsmart the Defense, which in the playoffs, has backfired for him. One of his teammates who was not an idiot Kicker even said so.

Brady = Montana
Manning = Marino
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Which is why New England traded a 2nd round pick for him.
Amazing isn't it??
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