Around The NFL - Divisional Round

skinsfanthru&thru · 01-14-2012, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Still belongs to Peyton Manning.

Colts without Manning end up with the #1 pick.

Patriots without Brady still ended up 11-5.

Patriots can't be faulted for having a proper backup in place, where as the Colt's obviously never gave thought to the possibilty of life without Manning until it was already upon them. Plus everyone wants to talk about the defenses of both the Colts and Patriots, I'm sorry other than a couple players they could be almost exact clones of each other on how inconsistent they've been over the years. And finally, look at the weapons each team supplied the 2 qbs. Manning has had Harrison (future HOFer), Wayne (future HOFer), Clark (future HOFer), Stoakley, Garcion, Pollard & Collie. Brady has only had Moss (future HOFer for 3 seasons), Welker (best slot reciever in the game currently but I'm not sure if he's a HOFer right now), and then of course the last 2 years Gronk & Hernandez. But also lost in that is the fact Brady has done what he's done year in and year out with a minimal running game at best. Manning had James in his backfield putting up over 1200 yards rushing 6 out of 8 seasons for the Colts where as the last 11 years have seen the Patriots only have that happen once with Corey Dillion doing that in 2004.

Hands down for me Brady has done more with less his entire career and is the best qb of all time.

DynamiteRave · 01-14-2012, 11:06 PM

I wonder how GMScud feels about this Tebow showing.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 01-14-2012, 11:06 PM

Stokley, Garcon, Pollard, Collie??????????? Really? Without Manning you wouldn't know who those guys are.

NC_Skins · 01-14-2012, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

Hands down for me Brady has done more with less his entire career and is the best qb of all time.

Absolutely no way. Again, let's look at the defenses. Having a top 5 defense compared to having a bottom 5 defense. It's not even REMOTELY in the same ball park.

Again. The cold hard facts that the Patriots go 11-5 WITHOUT Brady solidifies my argument and pretty much makes yours invalid. The fact the Colts go from a 10-6 playoff team to the #1 draft pick in the NFL also backs up that case.

Hey guys, I guess Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson are better QBs than Dan Marino!!! That's pretty much the type of argument you are using.

44Deezel · 01-14-2012, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rypper11

I would say greatest in NFL today but I wouldn't even say top ten all time. The rules today favor the passing game so much that it is hard to compare different eras. Marino, Montana, Jurgenson, Young, Kelly, Stabler, Bradshaw, Baugh and others could all get over 5,000 yards every season today. Especially throwing underneath to Welker and Gronkowski and then watching them add 50 yac.

Nuts. He won 3 Super Bowls with scrubs at WR. Troy Brown? Welker and Gronkowski just showed up 5 minutes ago, and Welker didn't do jack in Miami. Once you get past the top 4-5 WRs, the next 50 are interchangeable. Hell, Santana Moss has a 1500 yard season. Victor Cruz?

skinsfanthru&thru · 01-14-2012, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Brady had Randy Moss.

For 3 seasons, and only one of which saw them make the Superbowl and that was also the only one of the 4 Brady led Patriot teams that lost a Superbowl.

NC_Skins · 01-14-2012, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Stokley, Garcon, Pollard, Collie??????????? Really? Without Manning you wouldn't know who those guys are.

Exactly. I keep hearing about all this "talent" he's had and the truth is, he's made them.

What did Edjerrin James do when he left the Colts? Absolutely nothing.

With all that "talent", and they ranked 27th in passing.

skinsfaninok · 01-14-2012, 11:16 PM

Manning Is one of the best ever top 10 but he has a losing playoff record and has only won one sb. Bradys playoff record is very good and has won 3 titles and maybe 4 this season sorry but the NFL is about winning and Brady has more than Manning

Reggie Wayne? Marvin Harrison Dallas clark??

#Hail to the Redskins

skinsfaninok · 01-14-2012, 11:19 PM

Pussy move by Miller take your ass kicking like a man

#Hail to the Redskins

NC_Skins · 01-14-2012, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Nuts. He won 3 Super Bowls with scrubs at WR. Troy Brown? Welker and Gronkowski just showed up 5 minutes ago, and Welker didn't do jack in Miami. Once you get past the top 4-5 WRs, the next 50 are interchangeable. Hell, Santana Moss has a 1500 yard season. Victor Cruz?

Troy Brown had a 1200 yard season Tom's first year. If you look at Tom's progression, he didn't hit a QB rating of 90 until 2004. Up until then, the numbers were kind of meh.

Wait, so Welker sucked in Miami but now is beastly? So are you saying he's a scrub and only good because of Brady? In the same breath, you say Manning had all this talent....lol He's also been with the Pats since 2007 so it's been longer than 5 minutes.

The Goat · 01-14-2012, 11:23 PM

Ahhhh geez Brady vs Manning is awesome! Never loses it's innate humor

mooby · 01-14-2012, 11:24 PM

I'll second that skinsfaninok. What a punk move by Miller. Take your ass whipping like a man. Also lol at a Tom Brady punt on third down. Guess Emperor Belichick has decided to play it safer instead of going for it on third/fourth down in a meaningless blowout, ala 2007.

SFREDSKIN · 01-14-2012, 11:25 PM

Put the Broncos in the mix to go after Flynn and/or RGIII, it's going to be a brutal battle between Cleveland, Redskins, Miami and Denver.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 01-14-2012, 11:26 PM

Welker didn't do jack in Miami? Ok then.

NC_Skins · 01-14-2012, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Manning Is one of the best ever top 10 but he has a losing playoff record and has only won one sb. Bradys playoff record is very good and has won 3 titles and maybe 4 this season sorry but the NFL is about winning and Brady has more than Manning

Reggie Wayne? Marvin Harrison Dallas clark??

#Hail to the Redskins

Seriously guy. Why do you keep ignoring the defenses? I repeat, Tom's Patriots have rocked a top 5 defense each time they went to the Super Bowl. Offense doesn't generally win you Super Bowls, defenses does. Don't act like it doesn't play a part, you know good and god damn well it plays a HUGE part in how far you go.

Wayne also had 500 yard less this year than he did with Manning the prior year. Looks like he's down to being a scrub without Peyton.

Marvin Harrison?
Marvin Harrison, WR at NFL.com

You mean the same Marvin Harrison that didn't do jack shit until Peyton arrived?

Keep on grasping at straws about how this "better talent' he had. :frusty:

01-14-2012, 11:06 PM	#182
DynamiteRave Franchise Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington DC Age: 26 Posts: 9,805	Re: Around The NFL - Divisional Round I wonder how GMScud feels about this Tebow showing. __________________ Establishment, establishment, you always know what's best. I'm a chick, damnit.

01-14-2012, 11:06 PM	#183
EARTHQUAKE2689 You did WHAT?!? Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In The Kitchen With Dyna. Age: 24 Posts: 11,008	Re: Around The NFL - Divisional Round Stokley, Garcon, Pollard, Collie??????????? Really? Without Manning you wouldn't know who those guys are. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpp3ycMvQd0 This is why you need Mentos. To justify your questionable problem solving skills. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7geP5ev0VI Awesome isn't it.

01-14-2012, 11:16 PM	#188
skinsfaninok Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Norman, OK Age: 26 Posts: 12,994	Manning Is one of the best ever top 10 but he has a losing playoff record and has only won one sb. Bradys playoff record is very good and has won 3 titles and maybe 4 this season sorry but the NFL is about winning and Brady has more than Manning Reggie Wayne? Marvin Harrison Dallas clark?? #Hail to the Redskins __________________ Robert Griffin III "if you're good at something, never do it for free"- The Joker

01-14-2012, 11:19 PM	#189
skinsfaninok Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Norman, OK Age: 26 Posts: 12,994	Pussy move by Miller take your ass kicking like a man #Hail to the Redskins __________________ Robert Griffin III "if you're good at something, never do it for free"- The Joker

01-14-2012, 11:23 PM	#191
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,021	Re: Around The NFL - Divisional Round Ahhhh geez Brady vs Manning is awesome! Never loses it's innate humor __________________ Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes he eats you.

01-14-2012, 11:24 PM	#192
mooby MVP Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NoVa Age: 24 Posts: 11,179	Re: Around The NFL - Divisional Round I'll second that skinsfaninok. What a punk move by Miller. Take your ass whipping like a man. Also lol at a Tom Brady punt on third down. Guess Emperor Belichick has decided to play it safer instead of going for it on third/fourth down in a meaningless blowout, ala 2007.

01-14-2012, 11:25 PM	#193
SFREDSKIN Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 6,504	Re: Around The NFL - Divisional Round Put the Broncos in the mix to go after Flynn and/or RGIII, it's going to be a brutal battle between Cleveland, Redskins, Miami and Denver. __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

01-14-2012, 11:26 PM	#194
EARTHQUAKE2689 You did WHAT?!? Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In The Kitchen With Dyna. Age: 24 Posts: 11,008	Re: Around The NFL - Divisional Round Welker didn't do jack in Miami? Ok then. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpp3ycMvQd0 This is why you need Mentos. To justify your questionable problem solving skills. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7geP5ev0VI Awesome isn't it.

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