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Old 01-15-2012, 07:11 AM   #226
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Fair enough, but 36 TDs and only 4TDs without Moss.

Plus, Moss must have not been that good because New England only gave up a 4th round pick to get him.

If Welker is all world because he warranted a 2nd round pick than Moss must not be all that because they only traded a 4th to get him.

Just assuming you're consistent with your logic
Now we all know that might be the biggest steal of all time. The Raiders gave up on him and he wanted out. People thought he was finished.
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Old 01-15-2012, 07:44 AM   #227
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I will say that any QB from this era will never compare to any of the old QBs. The Patriots and Colts have been responsible for many rules that blew up the NFL passing game. Because of the Colts, the NFL implemented the "no touching WRs beyond 5 yds" rule and then there's the Brady Rule.
It was the Steelers of the late 70 that were the ones responsible for the passing rule changes because their D was so good. The Colts benefitted from those no touching rules, they didnt cause them.
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A couple thoughts on yesterday:

1) really, really cool what Alex Smith did. Are those throws representative of the "real" Alex Smith, able to match Drew Brees shot for shot? No, of course not. But that's why sports are great.

2) The Broncos defense was really overrated all year. It wasn't all thatgood under Kyle Orton, it really wasn't much better for Tim Tebow in the regular season, and it got totally torched in the postseason. Even after they got Elvis Dumerville back, it was really only just the Redskins defense dressed in blue. Denver had a lot of good fortune all year, but the only difference between the team that began 1-4 and the one that finished 8-5 was play in the clutch.
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Old 01-15-2012, 08:32 AM   #229
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Now we all know that might be the biggest steal of all time. The Raiders gave up on him and he wanted out. People thought he was finished.
The Haynesworth trade could have easily been the same thing. Alas, the big guy might actually be finished, at least as a down to down, week to week NFL player.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again Tom Brady is the greatest qb in NFL history
Nope,why becuase ..it's a different ere.Serously my head is hurting from this discussion.Montana,Young,Marino,Simms,Dan Fouts...etc. all played when you had to take a hit ,not flagg football like now.Yes the records are dropping becuase very few teams are running like they did in the 90's or 80's or even the 70's.
Is Peyton great ,is Tom great....is Drew great....answer is yes,but of all time ,no.
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A third thought:

It's probably time to seriously start considering the question whether Drew Brees or Tom Brady is having the better career. Both are in their mid thirties now, and if you look at their careers as a while, no two players in the history of the NFL are more statistically similar than Brees and Brady. I know people don't necessarily think of Drew Brees as a surefire hall of famer the way they do of Brady, but these guys are both hall of fame locks, and I think if Brees has the better "final five years" of their respective careers (if he ages better), then it would be tough to say that Brees isn't the historically greater player.

It's close right now, but I would lean edge: Brady because if nothing else, he has a couple games a year which come outdoors in frigid weather which Brees avoids.
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It was the Steelers of the late 70 that were the ones responsible for the passing rule changes because their D was so good. The Colts benefitted from those no touching rules, they didnt cause them.
That is true.... but it really wasn't being enforced until Bill Polian and the Colts started crying to the NFL after one of the championship games (03 or 04) where their wr's basically got mugged.
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I will say that any QB from this era will never compare to any of the old QBs. The Patriots and Colts have been responsible for many rules that blew up the NFL passing game. Because of the Colts, the NFL implemented the "no touching WRs beyond 5 yds" rule and then there's the Brady Rule.
Tom Brady could play in any era. The guy is simply a great QB and a true field general. But I also would've liked to see what guys like Marino and Fouts would've done in today's game. Warren Moon might have thrown for 6,000 yards!
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A couple thoughts on yesterday:

1) really, really cool what Alex Smith did. Are those throws representative of the "real" Alex Smith, able to match Drew Brees shot for shot? No, of course not. But that's why sports are great.

2) The Broncos defense was really overrated all year. It wasn't all thatgood under Kyle Orton, it really wasn't much better for Tim Tebow in the regular season, and it got totally torched in the postseason. Even after they got Elvis Dumerville back, it was really only just the Redskins defense dressed in blue. Denver had a lot of good fortune all year, but the only difference between the team that began 1-4 and the one that finished 8-5 was play in the clutch.
As much as I love Drew Brees, I found myslef rooting for Alex Smith yesterday. The guy defines perseverance.
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That is true.... but it really wasn't being enforced until Bill Polian and the Colts started crying to the NFL after one of the championship games (03 or 04) where their wr's basically got mugged.

You need to go back a few years and try to remember how much the NFL was screaming when Brady got hurt,result was the "the Brady rule"
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Boy, who woulda thought before the season started we'd be talking about Alex Smith and the 49ers being one win away from being in the Super Bowl? The NFL never ceases to amaze me.
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You need to go back a few years and try to remember how much the NFL was screaming when Brady got hurt,result was the "the Brady rule"
True. I remember when Carson Palmer got hurt before that and they started that rule... and then after the NFL poster boy got hurt they REALLY started enforcing it. It must suck to have to play defense in the NFL nowadays.
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Old 01-15-2012, 01:17 PM   #238
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Jacoby Jones is a friggin idiot.
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wow. texans punt returner makes one of the dumbest plays of all time. seriously could cost them the game. you cant just give the ravens the ball for free at the 2 yard line.
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wow. texans punt returner makes one of the dumbest plays of all time. seriously could cost them the game. you cant just give the ravens the ball for free at the 2 yard line.
Seriously, what the hell was Jones thinking?!?!? If I'm his coach I'd be tempted to leave him on the bench for the rest of the day, screw giving him the chance to redeem himself.
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