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Old 01-11-2012, 05:22 PM   #61
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No one inherits football knowledge just by being around someone who coached/played football. If that were true, Kyle Shanahan and Brian Schottenheimer would be a whole lot better as offensive coordinators than they have shown themselves to be.
I didn't imply that he just magically inherited this knowledge. I'm willing to bet my life on the fact that Mike Brown watched game film with his dad, went to practices, watched other coaches, and that is where he got his football knowledge over the course of his life. So let's not put Mike Brown and Jerry Jones even on the same level when it comes to football knowledge. I imagine that Mike Brown has forgotten more about football, than Jerry will ever know. So does this knowledge make him a great owner/GM? Hell no. One of the most knowledgeable people in the league was Al Davis and he was a horrible owner/GM the past decade.

I think you are selling Kyle and Brian short on your assumptions. No offense, but they know more about football than me and you will ever know. (even us combined)

Jerry's college football experience 50 years ago is irrelevant. The fact still remains is most of his life, he was doing something else besides football, so him trying to come in and make football decisions is mind boggling and stupid. Do I think he's a idiot? Of course not. I think Jerry's absorbed a ton of information over the course of 1998, but that still doesn't mean he's qualified to be a GM either.
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Old 01-11-2012, 05:55 PM   #62
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Ehhh...you have your beliefs, I have mine. I'm not ashamed of my Christian faith. But, this is a football message board. I agree to keep my beliefs to myself as long as you do the same.
True enough. I should have left out the potshot at christianity. I'll save it for Off-Topic sections. :FIREdevil
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I didn't imply that he just magically inherited this knowledge. I'm willing to bet my life on the fact that Mike Brown watched game film with his dad, went to practices, watched other coaches, and that is where he got his football knowledge over the course of his life. So let's not put Mike Brown and Jerry Jones even on the same level when it comes to football knowledge. I imagine that Mike Brown has forgotten more about football, than Jerry will ever know. So does this knowledge make him a great owner/GM? Hell no. One of the most knowledgeable people in the league was Al Davis and he was a horrible owner/GM the past decade.

I think you are selling Kyle and Brian short on your assumptions. No offense, but they know more about football than me and you will ever know. (even us combined)

Jerry's college football experience 50 years ago is irrelevant. The fact still remains is most of his life, he was doing something else besides football, so him trying to come in and make football decisions is mind boggling and stupid. Do I think he's a idiot? Of course not. I think Jerry's absorbed a ton of information over the course of 1998, but that still doesn't mean he's qualified to be a GM either.

By your logic, the Shula kids should have been GREAT coaches because we KNOW that they spent time with Dad watching film and being part of the team and all that apprenticeship stuff. You only surmise that Mike Brown did that and thereby learned about football.

Both Shula kids failed as coaches despite their heritage, their immersion in the game etc. One does not necessarily absorb knowledge and comptence just by being around knowledgeable and competent folks. If it were so, there would be only brilliant people coming out of universities.

Look, you can dislike Jerry Jones all you want because he owns the Cowboys and he has upstaged Danny Boy on more than one front over the years. I will even agree with you that his decisions as GM for the Cowboys have been spotty at best. But to say he is a know-nothing makes little sense.
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Is it Mike or Dave Shula that's Cam's QB coach now?
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Is it Mike or Dave Shula that's Cam's QB coach now?
LOL...(rimshot)
beat me to it.
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Old 01-12-2012, 04:11 AM   #66
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No one inherits football knowledge just by being around someone who coached/played football. If that were true, Kyle Shanahan and Brian Schottenheimer would be a whole lot better as offensive coordinators than they have shown themselves to be.
Why aren't they good?KS ..did fine in Houston and BS had the Jets in the AFC chanpionship game the last 2 years ,also I think there is a guy in Alabama....named Sabin who has'nt done to bad.
Noone says you are born with it but by coming from a family where it is their bread and butter ...you pick up a hell of a lot more then Joe fan.
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sorry double post.
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True enough. I should have left out the potshot at christianity. I'll save it for Off-Topic sections. :FIREdevil

LOL! Fine!
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By your logic, the Shula kids should have been GREAT coaches because we KNOW that they spent time with Dad watching film and being part of the team and all that apprenticeship stuff. You only surmise that Mike Brown did that and thereby learned about football.

Both Shula kids failed as coaches despite their heritage, their immersion in the game etc. One does not necessarily absorb knowledge and comptence just by being around knowledgeable and competent folks. If it were so, there would be only brilliant people coming out of universities.

Look, you can dislike Jerry Jones all you want because he owns the Cowboys and he has upstaged Danny Boy on more than one front over the years. I will even agree with you that his decisions as GM for the Cowboys have been spotty at best. But to say he is a know-nothing makes little sense.

Apparently you didn't read what I said.

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So does this knowledge make him a great owner/GM? Hell no. One of the most knowledgeable people in the league was Al Davis and he was a horrible owner/GM the past decade.
<---in referencing Mike Brown/Al Davis


I clearly made the point that just because you have the knowledge doesn't mean you are going to succeed.


You guys act like all it takes is great football smarts and BAM they are a instant success. Every coach in the NFL will tell you flat out that it takes a lot of luck. LUCK. CHANCE. Random factors that are beyond a coaches control. Injuries, players reaching his full potential beyond coaching, players available, impatient owners, etc..


There are so many other variables out there that go beyond just having "knowledge" in that area. You can be the smartest football mind in the world and still be dealt a bad hand and you fail. You could be a average football mind and be dealt a great hand and be legendary. It happens in life all the time.

I don't hate Jerry Jones and as a Skins fan, I want him to continue destroying the Dallas Cowboys. Yes, he knows a hell of a lot more than Dan Snyder, but he's still not qualified to be a GM based on his lack of experience/coaching throughout his life. If Jerry didn't own his own team, he wouldn't sniff a GM's position in the NFL.


Also, the Shula kids know more about football than you and I.
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Raiders owner Mark Davis is in over his head - NFL - Yahoo! Sports



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"Mark,” Davis said, stopping the meeting and sounding genuinely interested. “What do you think we should do?”
Mark Davis at Tuesday's news conference to introduce Reggie McKenzie.
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Caught off guard, the younger Davis mumbled something about needing a wide receiver.

Wrong answer.

“A [expletive] receiver?” Al Davis snapped, his voice rising. “Get the [expletive] out of here.”
I could see Al telling his son that.
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Apparently you didn't read what I said.

<---in referencing Mike Brown/Al Davis


I clearly made the point that just because you have the knowledge doesn't mean you are going to succeed.


You guys act like all it takes is great football smarts and BAM they are a instant success. Every coach in the NFL will tell you flat out that it takes a lot of luck. LUCK. CHANCE. Random factors that are beyond a coaches control. Injuries, players reaching his full potential beyond coaching, players available, impatient owners, etc..


There are so many other variables out there that go beyond just having "knowledge" in that area. You can be the smartest football mind in the world and still be dealt a bad hand and you fail. You could be a average football mind and be dealt a great hand and be legendary. It happens in life all the time.

I don't hate Jerry Jones and as a Skins fan, I want him to continue destroying the Dallas Cowboys. Yes, he knows a hell of a lot more than Dan Snyder, but he's still not qualified to be a GM based on his lack of experience/coaching throughout his life. If Jerry didn't own his own team, he wouldn't sniff a GM's position in the NFL.


Also, the Shula kids know more about football than you and I.
I don't know of a single soul on this forum that believes it takes no management skills and all football mind to make an organization great. It takes quite a bit of both, but it also takes a good front office of people who can work together to make it happen.
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I don't know of a single soul on this forum that believes it takes no management skills and all football mind to make an organization great. It takes quite a bit of both, but it also takes a good front office of people who can work together to make it happen.
Preaching to the choir my friend.







Also, Gano is one tough mofo.

Gano broke back against Philly

Broke his back in two places and still played the rest of the game.
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Club tickets won't come cheap at Santa Clara 49ers stadium - San Jose Mercury News

Holy shit look at the prices of those PSLs. Good bye middle class fans!!
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Club tickets won't come cheap at Santa Clara 49ers stadium - San Jose Mercury News

Holy shit look at the prices of those PSLs. Good bye middle class fans!!
Thats also the Great thing about Jerry World down here, the real fans get priced out and cant go to a game, so the cocain and boob job crowd buy up all the tickets and sit in there like they are at the Opera all nice and quite!! Jerry World will never be a home field advantage cause loud rednecks cant go. Unlike the Skins, most teams dominate the Cowboys in there.
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Thats also the Great thing about Jerry World down here, the real fans get priced out and cant go to a game, so the cocain and boob job crowd buy up all the tickets and sit in there like they are at the Opera all nice and quite!! Jerry World will never be a home field advantage cause load rednecks cant go. Unlike us, most teams dominate the Cowboys in there.

I can assure you. Danny boy is licking his chops for his time to come with a new stadium. All those STH's better enjoy it while they can because most of them are going to lose their seats due to insane SBLs.
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