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Old 01-12-2012, 01:05 AM   #61
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This is interesting, Morris took over as defensive backs coach in 2007 for the Bucs. The previous year they were ranked 19th in passing defense, when Morris took over they were the #1 passing defense, they were also top 10 in opponent's QB rating, and I top 10 in fewest TDs allowed. Granted, this was still Monte Kiffin's defense, but still this is encouraging.
I'm always skeptical of NFL YPG rankings, but I checked with my trusted source and that number in 2007 is legit.

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2007 DEFENSIVE EFFICIENCY RATINGS

An excellent defensive season against all wide receivers. Mediocre performance by the Tampa DL that year as well:

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | DEFENSIVE LINES 2007

2007 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Starters, Roster, & Players - Pro-Football-Reference.com

LCB Ronde Barber 32 10 16 1.0 sacks, 2 interceptions, 2 fumbles recovered
RCB Phillip Buchanon 27 5 13 0.0 sacks, 3 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered
SS Jermaine Phillips 28 5 15 1.0 sacks, 4 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered
FS Tanard Jackson 22 Rook 16 0.0 sacks, 2 interceptions, 3 fumbles recovered

That D also had CB Brian Kelly, CB Sammy Davis, and CB Will Allen (not the Giants guy). A talented, deep group to be sure.
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Old 01-12-2012, 01:14 AM   #62
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I'm always skeptical of NFL YPG rankings, but I checked with my trusted source and that number in 2007 is legit.

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2007 DEFENSIVE EFFICIENCY RATINGS

An excellent defensive season against all wide receivers. Mediocre performance by the Tampa DL that year as well:

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | DEFENSIVE LINES 2007

2007 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Starters, Roster, & Players - Pro-Football-Reference.com

LCB Ronde Barber 32 10 16 1.0 sacks, 2 interceptions, 2 fumbles recovered
RCB Phillip Buchanon 27 5 13 0.0 sacks, 3 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered
SS Jermaine Phillips 28 5 15 1.0 sacks, 4 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered
FS Tanard Jackson 22 Rook 16 0.0 sacks, 2 interceptions, 3 fumbles recovered

That D also had CB Brian Kelly, CB Sammy Davis, and CB Will Allen (not the Giants guy). A talented, deep group to be sure.
I am also not a big fan of YPGs, which is why I liked the opponents QB rating ranking and TDs allowed. Glad to see the stats about the Ds performance against WRs. Looks like Morris did a good job with that DBs unit, hopefully he can work his magic with our unit.
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Well played.

Was that posted on the side of a bus? LOL.
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Yeah I mean shit gets old I literally don't know what I would do if we won 12 games next year , I probably wouldn't believe it
Cry, those 12 wins include Wild Card, Divisional, and Conference Championships right.
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:59 AM   #66
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Super fan of this. I liked the job he did in TB...not sure what happened this past year but he is a young guy who players like and has some good leadership skills.

I like the guy but one of the knocks was that his players quit on him this year.
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Old 01-12-2012, 06:35 AM   #67
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Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins

Different voice is needed sometimes. The secondary did struggle this year, but previous years I wouldnt put them as a weakness on the team. Rogers loss was much more of an impact than people thought along with injuries to PB (who?), Laron, OJ and the non development of Barnes all played a part. Is a talent infusion needed? Absolutely.

Morris is a no risk hire who can be nothing but a positive IMO.
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Cry, those 12 wins include Wild Card, Divisional, and Conference Championships right.


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I like the guy but one of the knocks was that his players quit on him this year.
With Shanny in charge thats not happening. If anything, it should be a good situation for Morris to learn how to control a locker room. Any inkling Shanny detects of quitting would be addressed immediately.
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Old 01-12-2012, 08:23 AM   #70
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People always seem to forget Morris was an HC for three years (not two) and he finished 3-13 his first year.

But anyway, as has been mentioned Morris as a position coach should be just fine. His problem as a HC was when he tried to hard to discipline a player the team was like "this isn't you, and turned a deaf ear" so then he would do outlandish stuff like send Brian Price home at halftime for a false start (or whatever it was). Point is, he struggled to effectively cross the line from "hey, I'm your buddy let's work on some drills after practice" to "you're five minutes late to the film session, you're not starting on Sunday"
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Old 01-12-2012, 08:46 AM   #71
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What is funny is that I don't remember anyone during the season saying "the Redskins need to upgrade their secondary coach." Raheem Morris is a relatively big name for a position coach. But I also don't remember people saying, "the Redskins don't have enough 'name' coaches on the staff."

At no point next year will I be able to judge Raheem Morris on the quality of his work here. Neither will anyone else. I hope he does really well. But we'll probably never know what kind of effect he is having on the players' lives, without having that personal connection with the players.

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Tripp, you're too young to remember the coaching staff for the Redskins back in the 80's. They had several head coaches during their Super Bowl years - mostly all of them position coaches. So, it is not uncommon for a head coach to accept a job as a position coach, especially if the money isn't bad.
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Old 01-12-2012, 08:59 AM   #72
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Whatever the case may be, Raheem Morris has had success as a coordinator as well as head coach. By any objective measure, this is a move with some upside. Does Morris need to tweak his coaching style, yeah probably. All coaches go through some kind of learning curve. Tom Coughlin, with his disciplinarian ways a few seasons ago, almost lost his locker room and the Giants were "doomed". The players quit, tuned him out, blah blah. Tom Coughlin adjusted his style and the Giants are consistently in the playoffs and have a Super Bowl ring to boot. We have such short memories sometimes.

To be clear, I'm not making any direct coaching comparisons between Raheem Morris and Tom Coughlin, but just because Morris' team supposedly quit on him last season is by no means the end of this guy or any reflection of how successful he can be in the long run.

The truth is our secondary hasn't been the same since Sean Taylor passed away. We've been replacing this guy and that guy for the past four years. I like the Morris move and hopefully it will encourage Laron Landry to give it another go and stay with the Redskins.

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Unless you're really close to the team & know the dynamics of the staff/player relationships, I find it hard to assess the impact of a position coach change. A coordinator change can be easily observed from the outside; you can see the change in scheme & overall performance. Position coaches by nature will have drastically different impacts from team to team based on how the coordinator runs that unit.

I actually disagree for the most part that the secondary was really disappointing. I thought they played decently this year. Of course I'd love to see some upgrades there, but that's the case for this team across the board. I don't think it is anywhere near our greatest need.

I think most of our sacks were coverage sacks. If we timed each sack this year I would bet that most passed the common threshold (whatever that is, I don't know) for how long a QB should hold the ball. Orakpo forced a lot of throws or scrambles, otherwise it was rare that pressure got to the qb early in his read, even when blitzing.
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Seems like a good hire. Not sure what there is to hate on, but some will always find something I guess.
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Old 01-12-2012, 09:14 AM   #75
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Unless you're really close to the team & know the dynamics of the staff/player relationships, I find it hard to assess the impact of a position coach change. A coordinator change can be easily observed from the outside; you can see the change in scheme & overall performance. Position coaches by nature will have drastically different impacts from team to team based on how the coordinator runs that unit.

I actually disagree for the most part that the secondary was really disappointing. I thought they played decently this year. Of course I'd love to see some upgrades there, but that's the case for this team across the board. I don't think it is anywhere near our greatest need.

I think most of our sacks were coverage sacks. If we timed each sack this year I would bet that most passed the common threshold (whatever that is, I don't know) for how long a QB should hold the ball. Orakpo forced a lot of throws or scrambles, otherwise it was rare that pressure got to the qb early in his read, even when blitzing.
This is the single least talked about story this season. Our secondary actually had a good year. Wasn't stellar, but time and time again a lot of our sacks attributed to good coverage. The numbers point to Rak and Kerrigan getting to the QB, but like yourself, I noticed on several occasions the QB just couldn't find an open receiver.
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