Raheem Morris to the Redskins

Mattyk · 01-12-2012, 09:07 AM

Seems like a good hire. Not sure what there is to hate on, but some will always find something I guess.

12thMan · 01-12-2012, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by freddyg12

Unless you're really close to the team & know the dynamics of the staff/player relationships, I find it hard to assess the impact of a position coach change. A coordinator change can be easily observed from the outside; you can see the change in scheme & overall performance. Position coaches by nature will have drastically different impacts from team to team based on how the coordinator runs that unit.

I actually disagree for the most part that the secondary was really disappointing. I thought they played decently this year. Of course I'd love to see some upgrades there, but that's the case for this team across the board. I don't think it is anywhere near our greatest need.

I think most of our sacks were coverage sacks. If we timed each sack this year I would bet that most passed the common threshold (whatever that is, I don't know) for how long a QB should hold the ball. Orakpo forced a lot of throws or scrambles, otherwise it was rare that pressure got to the qb early in his read, even when blitzing.

This is the single least talked about story this season. Our secondary actually had a good year. Wasn't stellar, but time and time again a lot of our sacks attributed to good coverage. The numbers point to Rak and Kerrigan getting to the QB, but like yourself, I noticed on several occasions the QB just couldn't find an open receiver.

SmootSmack · 01-12-2012, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Seems like a good hire. Not sure what there is to hate on, but some will always find something I guess.

Well...mix up the letters in Raheem Morris and you get I M ERROR SHAME...so there you have it

Hog1 · 01-12-2012, 09:26 AM

Can't argue with logic.....

mlmpetert · 01-12-2012, 09:30 AM

I havent had time to read every post so sorry if i repeat anything:

Hasslett had been considered a HC canidate to some degree (not my opinion). I would have thought that Morris could have gotten a better job had he waited for all the HC vacancies to be filled. So maybe because of his relationship with Allen and the possability of Hasslett leaving in the next couple of years Morris liked the potential for oppertunity in DC.

Id like to know if Hasslet was 100% behind this hiring. Morris seems like a easy going "players coach" but at the same time he has got to have a huge ego, hes was a NFL head coach after all. I hope there isnt a a too many Cheifs not enough Indians thing going on next year.

Early in the thread someone mentioned that this may signle the Redskins going after a DB early in the draft and i too think hiring Morris makes it more likely

I wonder if this means anything for Aqib Talib? He's in his last year of contract and depending on who Tampa hires he may very well be realeased or traded for nothing in the near future. Morris drafted him and i think fought to keep him when TB nearly released him last year.

I do think this soudns like a very good thing for the Redskins, and it almost seems like Morris wanted to be part of the organization. I love that Raheem Morris signed so quickly after being fired, it seems like the dude just really wants to get to work. Hes a 35 year old multi-millionaire and didnt even take 10 days off after being fired from one of the most stressful and time consuming jobs; NFL head coach.

NC_Skins · 01-12-2012, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Seems like a good hire. Not sure what there is to hate on, but some will always find something I guess.

Hatters gonna hat.

FRPLG · 01-12-2012, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

I like the guy but one of the knocks was that his players quit on him this year.

Is that him or his players' fault? They were good before...then as soon as the get some injuries and some adversity they fold up? It certainly could be that he didn't do a good job or it could be that the players are young and nothing he did would have changed it.

Coff · 01-12-2012, 09:47 AM

I'm concerned that Morris might be a bit out of his element, coaching up d-backs in a 3-4. However, he's a smart enough guy to figure that out. What concerns me more is the idea that he might be hired to eventually replace Haslett if Haslett leaves for a HC position. That would be a return to typical Redskins FO bull****. Completely turning around the direction of the team by enacting a 3-4 defense, spend a couple of years drafting, signing and developing players to fit into it, and then going back on it after a short period of time.

As I said, that's what concerns me about the Morris hire. Ideally though, the Skins hired him to be nothing more than a dbacks coach, which is the impression I get when reading about it. He was promised by Shanahan that he can look for D-Coordinator positions next season. The impression I get is that the Skins aren't interested in Morris ever being anything more than a positions coach, which is the best position they can take.

Mattyk · 01-12-2012, 10:00 AM

Whether you run a 3-4 or a 4-3, what goes on in the secondary doesn't change. The alignment you run only impacts the front seven.

skinsfan69 · 01-12-2012, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I'm like tripp in many ways, I always get cautious over moves the skins make simply because we suck and have for 20 years now.. he and I are about the same age and have never seen a winner in dc so u have to understand our pain

LOL. A few weeks ago I was talking with my sister about the same thing. We're both in our 40's and were talking about the younger fans and how much we feel bad for them. They don't know what it use to be like around here...where you actually felt apart of something special.

skinsfan69 · 01-12-2012, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

People always seem to forget Morris was an HC for three years (not two) and he finished 3-13 his first year.

But anyway, as has been mentioned Morris as a position coach should be just fine. His problem as a HC was when he tried to hard to discipline a player the team was like "this isn't you, and turned a deaf ear" so then he would do outlandish stuff like send Brian Price home at halftime for a false start (or whatever it was). Point is, he struggled to effectively cross the line from "hey, I'm your buddy let's work on some drills after practice" to "you're five minutes late to the film session, you're not starting on Sunday"

Can't blame Morris cause the players were too young and immature. In the end the players let him down cause they didn't want to act like professionals.

Coff · 01-12-2012, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Whether you run a 3-4 or a 4-3, what goes on in the secondary doesn't change. The alignment you run only impacts the front seven.

Man, you just love being a grumpy little contrarian don't you?

The d-back responsibilities in a 3-4 defense are certainly different. They play more zone, are more responsible for outside run games, have substantially more coordinating with linebackers in multiple receiver threats, etc. Of course, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.

Mattyk · 01-12-2012, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Coff

Man, you just love being a grumpy little contrarian don't you?

The d-back responsibilities in a 3-4 defense are certainly different. They play more zone, are more responsible for outside run games, have substantially more coordinating with linebackers in multiple receiver threats, etc. Of course, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.

Grumpy?

News to me.

I'm just going off what we've asked guys like Reed Doughty in the past. He said the differences were minimal for the secondary.

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WP: How is the transition coming with the switch to the 3-4?

RD: The transition for the Safeties is not that drastic. We are asked to play a lot more coverages and schemes but that has more to do with Coach Haslett's mentality than it does switching to 3-4. The 3-4 affects the DE/LB guys and the other Defensive line up front.

skinsguy · 01-12-2012, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Grumpy?

News to me.

I'm just going off what we've asked guys like Reed Doughty in the past. He said the differences were minimal for the secondary.

Then again it is Ree Doughty we're talking about. I keed I keed.

sportscurmudgeon · 01-12-2012, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

For the record the year before he was 10-6 with a team starting 10 rookies. Don't fall victim to the "error of recency". I can't tell why they stunk up the joint this season anymore than I can tell why they didn't the year before...neither means he's great or awful.

Morris' Bucs did just fine in 2010. It would not be a shock to see a young team regress from a 10-6 record. However, what the Bucs showed in 2011 has to be categorized as "disturbing". Losing 10 in a row and losing 4 games by more than 4 TDs is not just a regression from a surprisingly good season; it is a collapse.

Morris and the rest of the coaching staff have to own a significant part of the collapse of the team - - the part that is over and above a mere regression.

01-12-2012, 09:07 AM	#76
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,719	Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins Seems like a good hire. Not sure what there is to hate on, but some will always find something I guess. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

01-12-2012, 09:26 AM	#79
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 8,376	Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins Can't argue with logic..... __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... Win! Always win! By fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds... by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice... but always win--Edward Teach

01-12-2012, 09:30 AM	#80
mlmpetert Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Richmond Posts: 3,208	Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins I havent had time to read every post so sorry if i repeat anything: Hasslett had been considered a HC canidate to some degree (not my opinion). I would have thought that Morris could have gotten a better job had he waited for all the HC vacancies to be filled. So maybe because of his relationship with Allen and the possability of Hasslett leaving in the next couple of years Morris liked the potential for oppertunity in DC. Id like to know if Hasslet was 100% behind this hiring. Morris seems like a easy going "players coach" but at the same time he has got to have a huge ego, hes was a NFL head coach after all. I hope there isnt a a too many Cheifs not enough Indians thing going on next year. Early in the thread someone mentioned that this may signle the Redskins going after a DB early in the draft and i too think hiring Morris makes it more likely I wonder if this means anything for Aqib Talib? He's in his last year of contract and depending on who Tampa hires he may very well be realeased or traded for nothing in the near future. Morris drafted him and i think fought to keep him when TB nearly released him last year. I do think this soudns like a very good thing for the Redskins, and it almost seems like Morris wanted to be part of the organization. I love that Raheem Morris signed so quickly after being fired, it seems like the dude just really wants to get to work. Hes a 35 year old multi-millionaire and didnt even take 10 days off after being fired from one of the most stressful and time consuming jobs; NFL head coach. __________________ https://constitutionminute.hillsdale.edu/episode1 Last edited by mlmpetert; 01-12-2012 at 09:31 AM.

01-12-2012, 09:47 AM	#83
Coff Impact Rookie Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Halfmoon, NY Posts: 504	Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins I'm concerned that Morris might be a bit out of his element, coaching up d-backs in a 3-4. However, he's a smart enough guy to figure that out. What concerns me more is the idea that he might be hired to eventually replace Haslett if Haslett leaves for a HC position. That would be a return to typical Redskins FO bull****. Completely turning around the direction of the team by enacting a 3-4 defense, spend a couple of years drafting, signing and developing players to fit into it, and then going back on it after a short period of time. As I said, that's what concerns me about the Morris hire. Ideally though, the Skins hired him to be nothing more than a dbacks coach, which is the impression I get when reading about it. He was promised by Shanahan that he can look for D-Coordinator positions next season. The impression I get is that the Skins aren't interested in Morris ever being anything more than a positions coach, which is the best position they can take.

01-12-2012, 10:00 AM	#84
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,719	Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins Whether you run a 3-4 or a 4-3, what goes on in the secondary doesn't change. The alignment you run only impacts the front seven. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

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