how to get a QB if youre pulling the trigger

dmek25 · 01-13-2012, 02:02 PM

i see all of the posts on who people want here in DC. this is about how to get your man here. name who you would like to be starting in DC next season, and how you propose to bring him here. lots of folk want Flynn. OK then, what would you pay to bring him here? i personally want RG3. i would move up to #2, and give up this years and next years #1. and this years and next years #2. and maybe someone like Cooley. don't know if that would be enough. but i know that i am sick of the last dozen years of horrible QB play

chrisl13 · 01-13-2012, 02:35 PM

Thats too much for RB3. I would like to get him in here. We would probably only need to give up 2012 1st, 2012 3rd, and 2013 1st to move into the 3rd spot just ahead of Cleveland, maybe a 2013 3rd too. We dont need to move to number 2 with the news that Jeff Fisher will coach the Rams. It was said that he wanted to coach a team with a qb in place so there is no way they go qb at number 2.

SmootSmack · 01-13-2012, 02:44 PM

I love your sig Chris, That Talking Baby...How about Stewie?

Anyhow, this is a good question. And I don't know the answer.

GTripp0012 · 01-13-2012, 04:17 PM

I would sign Chad Henne to a 4/$20 ($6 million guaranteed), and I would trade up to the 3rd overall pick so long as I could get it for the 6th pick, a 2013 2nd rounder, and a 2012 3rd rounder (though this may not be enough if the Vikings aren't actively looking to trade down). If Robert Griffin is there at 3rd overall, I would select him. If the Rams take him at no. 2, I'm keeping the pick and taking either Blackmon or Kalil.

In the scenario where RG3 is a Ram, I would trade up again from the 39th pick to the 32nd pick (last in the first round) to draft Nick Foles. This is a trade that would cost us one of our two fourths. But the real goal here is to have a fifth year option on Nick Foles' contract, something you don't get if you draft him in the second round.

So then next year, you head into the season with either 1) Griffin, 2) Henne on the depth chart, or 1) Henne, 2) Foles on the depth chart. I would consider re-signing Rex Grossman anyway, but I would be looking to draft someone like Kellen Moore or Kirk Cousins in the fifth round anyway, and that pick would make Grossman expendable.

sportscurmudgeon · 01-13-2012, 04:27 PM

Well ... if I am "pulling the trigger", that would imply that I had access to a gun which I could then put to the head of the guy I wanted and he would sign a minimum level contract for ten years.

Oh ... that's not what you mean? sorry.

I think the price of trading up for Luck and/or RGIII will be too high for a team with as many needs as the Skins have. Therefore, I would want a "middling veteran free agent QB" here as the starter at least at the beginning of next year and then for the Skins to draft a developmental QB.

My preferred free agent QB would be Kyle Orton

The QBs who I think can be had later in the draft that I like are: (alphabetical order to prevent splitting hairs over which development project is better than the others)

Kirk Cousins
Landry Jones (Is he in the draft this year or next?)
Kellen Moore
Russell Wilson

skinsfaninok · 01-13-2012, 04:33 PM

Chad Henne? I'd rather have Flynn

skinsguy · 01-13-2012, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Kirk Cousins
Landry Jones (Is he in the draft this year or next?)
Kellen Moore
Russell Wilson

Jones is staying in school.

skinsguy · 01-13-2012, 04:41 PM

I would say if the Redskins are going the free agency route (which I don't care much for) and are drafting a development QB, the only one I think would be worth a pick is Ryan Tannehill. And since he has a broken foot, he might come a lot cheaper than expected, so the 'skins could possibly use their first rounder to trade down and pick up a lot of great picks.

Defensewins · 01-13-2012, 04:43 PM

No need to get you panties in a bunch to try and move up from #6.
Most if not all of the teams picking ahead of us are already heavily committed (big bucks) to young QB's. So what is our desperation to give away draft picks when we sit at #6? Look at who is picking ahead of us:

1) Colts - already have Peyton Manning and have a so many needs. They take Luck.
2) Rams - Already have Bradford
3) Vikings - heavily invested in Ponder
4) Browns - already have McCoy
5) Tampa Bay - Already have Josh Freemen
6) Skinnies

I say stay where we are and let see what happens.

dmek25 · 01-13-2012, 04:53 PM

in a strategy that involves staying put, is there any rule which prevents the skins for trading for RG3, if drafted before the 6th pick?

skinsguy · 01-13-2012, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmek25

in a strategy that involves staying put, is there any rule which prevents the skins for trading for RG3, if drafted before the 6th pick?

Well, Eli Manning got traded to the Giants after getting picked by the Chargers, so no, shouldn't be any rule that prevents a trade after the fact.

skinsguy · 01-13-2012, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defensewins

No need to get you panties in a bunch to try and move up from #6.
Most if not all of the teams picking ahead of us are already heavily committed (big bucks) to young QB's. So what is our desperation to give away draft picks when we sit at #6? Look at who is picking ahead of us:

1) Colts - already have Peyton Manning and have a so many needs. They take Luck.
2) Rams - Already have Bradford
3) Vikings - heavily invested in Ponder
4) Browns - already have McCoy
5) Tampa Bay - Already have Josh Freemen
6) Skinnies

I say stay where we are and let see what happens.

It doesn't sound like the Browns are necessarily sold on Colt McCoy, and I think they could very well pick RG III if he's still on the board at #4.

skinsfaninok · 01-13-2012, 04:58 PM

Freeman is a guy that I can see being moved.

McCoy sucks

chrisl13 · 01-13-2012, 05:02 PM

It's only January. For all we know, the Browns may stick with McCoy for another year. More will come out in the next couple months. The gut though is that they take RG3.

Just asking, any chance that the Colts DONT select a qb at #1 and wait late and pick someone like Foles or Tannehill? Or maybe wait until next year and take Barkley or Jones?

Mechanix544 · 01-13-2012, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisl13

It's only January. For all we know, the Browns may stick with McCoy for another year. More will come out in the next couple months. The gut though is that they take RG3.

Just asking, any chance that the Colts DONT select a qb at #1 and rely heavily on Peyton?

Luck will be a colt man........no way he doesnt have a horseshoe on his helmet next year

01-13-2012, 02:44 PM	#3
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,097	Re: how to get a QB if youre pulling the trigger I love your sig Chris, That Talking Baby...How about Stewie? Anyhow, this is a good question. And I don't know the answer. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

01-13-2012, 04:27 PM	#5
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: how to get a QB if youre pulling the trigger Well ... if I am "pulling the trigger", that would imply that I had access to a gun which I could then put to the head of the guy I wanted and he would sign a minimum level contract for ten years. Oh ... that's not what you mean? sorry. I think the price of trading up for Luck and/or RGIII will be too high for a team with as many needs as the Skins have. Therefore, I would want a "middling veteran free agent QB" here as the starter at least at the beginning of next year and then for the Skins to draft a developmental QB. My preferred free agent QB would be Kyle Orton The QBs who I think can be had later in the draft that I like are: (alphabetical order to prevent splitting hairs over which development project is better than the others) Kirk Cousins Landry Jones (Is he in the draft this year or next?) Kellen Moore Russell Wilson __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports... Last edited by sportscurmudgeon; 01-13-2012 at 04:29 PM. Reason: spelling and grammar

01-13-2012, 04:41 PM	#8
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 5,998	Re: how to get a QB if youre pulling the trigger I would say if the Redskins are going the free agency route (which I don't care much for) and are drafting a development QB, the only one I think would be worth a pick is Ryan Tannehill. And since he has a broken foot, he might come a lot cheaper than expected, so the 'skins could possibly use their first rounder to trade down and pick up a lot of great picks. __________________ Not the same Skinsguy that posts on ES.

01-13-2012, 04:43 PM	#9
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,753	Re: how to get a QB if youre pulling the trigger No need to get you panties in a bunch to try and move up from #6. Most if not all of the teams picking ahead of us are already heavily committed (big bucks) to young QB's. So what is our desperation to give away draft picks when we sit at #6? Look at who is picking ahead of us: 1) Colts - already have Peyton Manning and have a so many needs. They take Luck. 2) Rams - Already have Bradford 3) Vikings - heavily invested in Ponder 4) Browns - already have McCoy 5) Tampa Bay - Already have Josh Freemen 6) Skinnies I say stay where we are and let see what happens.

01-13-2012, 04:53 PM	#10
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 51 Posts: 10,438	Re: how to get a QB if youre pulling the trigger in a strategy that involves staying put, is there any rule which prevents the skins for trading for RG3, if drafted before the 6th pick? __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

01-13-2012, 02:02 PM	#1
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 51 Posts: 10,438	how to get a QB if youre pulling the trigger i see all of the posts on who people want here in DC. this is about how to get your man here. name who you would like to be starting in DC next season, and how you propose to bring him here. lots of folk want Flynn. OK then, what would you pay to bring him here? i personally want RG3. i would move up to #2, and give up this years and next years #1. and this years and next years #2. and maybe someone like Cooley. don't know if that would be enough. but i know that i am sick of the last dozen years of horrible QB play __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

01-13-2012, 02:35 PM	#2
chrisl13 Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: 2 Minutes away from Fedex Field, Maryland Posts: 326	Re: how to get a QB if youre pulling the trigger Thats too much for RB3. I would like to get him in here. We would probably only need to give up 2012 1st, 2012 3rd, and 2013 1st to move into the 3rd spot just ahead of Cleveland, maybe a 2013 3rd too. We dont need to move to number 2 with the news that Jeff Fisher will coach the Rams. It was said that he wanted to coach a team with a qb in place so there is no way they go qb at number 2. __________________ "That is exactly the kind of idiot you see at Taco Bell at 1 in the morning!" -That Talking Baby From Family Guy

01-13-2012, 04:17 PM	#4
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 25 Posts: 15,143	Re: how to get a QB if youre pulling the trigger I would sign Chad Henne to a 4/$20 ($6 million guaranteed), and I would trade up to the 3rd overall pick so long as I could get it for the 6th pick, a 2013 2nd rounder, and a 2012 3rd rounder (though this may not be enough if the Vikings aren't actively looking to trade down). If Robert Griffin is there at 3rd overall, I would select him. If the Rams take him at no. 2, I'm keeping the pick and taking either Blackmon or Kalil. In the scenario where RG3 is a Ram, I would trade up again from the 39th pick to the 32nd pick (last in the first round) to draft Nick Foles. This is a trade that would cost us one of our two fourths. But the real goal here is to have a fifth year option on Nick Foles' contract, something you don't get if you draft him in the second round. So then next year, you head into the season with either 1) Griffin, 2) Henne on the depth chart, or 1) Henne, 2) Foles on the depth chart. I would consider re-signing Rex Grossman anyway, but I would be looking to draft someone like Kellen Moore or Kirk Cousins in the fifth round anyway, and that pick would make Grossman expendable. __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

01-13-2012, 04:33 PM	#6
skinsfaninok Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Norman, OK Age: 26 Posts: 12,980	Re: how to get a QB if youre pulling the trigger Chad Henne? I'd rather have Flynn __________________ Robert Griffin III "if you're good at something, never do it for free"- The Joker

01-13-2012, 04:58 PM	#13
skinsfaninok Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Norman, OK Age: 26 Posts: 12,980	Re: how to get a QB if youre pulling the trigger Freeman is a guy that I can see being moved. McCoy sucks __________________ Robert Griffin III "if you're good at something, never do it for free"- The Joker

01-13-2012, 05:02 PM	#14
chrisl13 Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: 2 Minutes away from Fedex Field, Maryland Posts: 326	Re: how to get a QB if youre pulling the trigger It's only January. For all we know, the Browns may stick with McCoy for another year. More will come out in the next couple months. The gut though is that they take RG3. Just asking, any chance that the Colts DONT select a qb at #1 and wait late and pick someone like Foles or Tannehill? Or maybe wait until next year and take Barkley or Jones? __________________ "That is exactly the kind of idiot you see at Taco Bell at 1 in the morning!" -That Talking Baby From Family Guy Last edited by chrisl13; 01-13-2012 at 05:06 PM.

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