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Old 01-29-2005, 11:02 PM   #1
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Gardner Good as Gone

From ESPN: Gardner Allowed to Seek Trade


I like the fact that the Redskins are asking for a 2nd round pick, do you think they'll get it?
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Old 01-29-2005, 11:26 PM   #2
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If they do get a 2nd I think it'll be a very low second rounder, almost a 3rd.

I think they're asking for a 2nd as a starting point, figuring they might get a 3rd when all is said and done.
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Old 01-30-2005, 12:33 AM   #3
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Doubt we'll get it. Wonder what's gonna happen when no one bites?
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Old 01-30-2005, 12:38 AM   #4
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I would bet my life we only get a very, very low 2nd rounder (i.e. from the Chargers) or we get a high 3rd rounder.

I'm not so much worried about Gardner's trade value as I am about Smoot's situation. If we let this guy go without any compensation (because we can't afford to tag him), I'll be livid. We should be able to get a very high second rounder for Smoot.

If we packaged our 3rd rounder (9th in the third round) and a second round pick we'd get for Smoot, we'd be able to get a low 1st round pick. That would leave us with the 9th overall pick, another first round pick, a 3rd rounder, a 4th rounder, and a pick in the sixth and seventh rounds.

We'd definately be able to draft a top notch wideout (like Braylon Edwards, Mike Williams, or Troy Williamson - who many feel will watch his his stock skyrocket after the combine), a solid starting defensive end or tackle, and some other quality players.

With that kind of draft, a new center (i.e. the mauling Titans' center Hartwig), and a new blocking tight end, our roster would be so, so sweet.

My revised ideal 2005 starting roster:

QB- Ramsey
HB- Portis
H-back- Cooley
LT- Samuels
LG- Dockery
C- Hartwig (via free agency)
RG- Thomas
RT- Jansen
TE- ??? (offseason acquisition)
WR- Coles
WR- Williams (via first draft pick)

RE- ???
DT- Griffin
DT- Noble
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CB- Harris
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SS- Bowen/Lott/Clark
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Old 01-30-2005, 01:44 AM   #5
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Interesting you mention the Chargers RF. With Marty there it seems like a possible destination for both Gardner and Smoot. I wonder if maybe packaging them together is a possibility
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Old 01-30-2005, 02:20 AM   #6
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if someone will give up a 2nd rounder for AJ feeley, someone will give up a 2nd rounder for gardner. hes actually done a little something in his career.
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Old 01-30-2005, 02:28 AM   #7
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I can't get rid of Gardner fast enough, I don't see a team giving up their only second rd pick for him, they could offer a second if a team has multiple 2nd rd pick's his salary might make it possible, San Diego is a definent possibility, I could see Gruden going after him as well we would be sitting pretty come draft day if we could manage a 2nd for him but my guess will be more like a 3rd. If Smoot want's to break the bank then I say we get a late first for him if we can't get that much for him then he obviously isn't worth the asking price, as well I just feel Smoot is overestimating himself and not just to us he will find out if he seek's a deal else where that the offer's aren't near what he want's. If he stay's great, but if he goes we should be able to get a late first for him, that would give us a lot of ammo for the up coming draft.
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Old 01-30-2005, 03:02 AM   #8
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a think a team that is lacking a big play receiver might pick up gardner, because as sketchy as he is dependability-wise, he can still make big plays when given the chance. I say the Chargers would likely give up a second rounder for him.
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Old 01-30-2005, 03:12 AM   #9
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we are not going to get anything for smoot. the skins arent going to Ftag him.

i think gardner will get traded to atlanta. if he does, he will be a 1200yrd receiver next year.

but thats just my opinion.

i think its a bad idea to draft a WR. the skins need an Olineman and a 2 defensive ends.

there are no clear choice blue chip WR in this years draft. they all have major faults.

Mike WIlliams is a terrible choice at the 9 spot. williams is alot like keyshon johnson, a big solid SLOW possesion receiver. remember keyshon was drafted 1st overall by the jets out of usc. is isnt worth the first overall pick or even a 9th. williams wont be able to get seperation down field. not a great talent if you ask me.

if you want a possesion receiver, start McCants. he has proven he can play(well atleast in the redzone).

if you want a potential playmaker, start jacobs. he seems to have alot of talent.

lets not forget about thrash, he is solid as a #2 wr.
plus, all those guys are getting paid regardless and we dont use a pick on them.
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Old 01-30-2005, 06:42 AM   #10
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I agree we have effectivly drafted a WR with our top picks so many times in the last few years Gardner, Coles and Taylor. We have other needs I would rather trade down and pick up a DE like Pollock or Spears. We have not spent a pick on the DL for too long and need some real tallent there . Williams schems have disgised the weakness before but opposing teams have a year load of tapes to disect those schemes .

As for Gardner I think we will struggle to get a good third simply because I don't think their are enough teams with the need for a solid No.2 ... Only the Chargers and Bucs seem to be in the frame right now.
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Old 01-30-2005, 11:41 AM   #11
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If they are looking to trade Gardner, it means they believe they can do better in the draft. I think what we will see is Gardner goes, we try to pick up a receiver through free agency, if we don't, the 9th pick goes to a receiver.
I have a feeling that Gibbs may be very picky in the free agent market given that the only receivers that may be out there are going to be number 2 guys. He has that now.
I'm looking for Jacobs to move to the number two spot (pending) and Gibbs drafts a WR in the first and hopes for a homerun.
Personally, Coles, Thrash, Jacobs, Cooley provide some pretty good options for the passing game. I can see why Gardner is easily the odd man out.
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Old 01-30-2005, 12:12 PM   #12
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Just a couple of comments:

If Gardner is "as good as gone" I'd like to remind him not to let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya.


If a team trades for Gardner because they don't have a big play receiver, they will still be without a big play receiver.


Prior to Feeley going to Miami, he had four starts in the NFL and had won all of them. That's how he commanded a 2nd round pick from a team in need of a QB. How many games has Gardner won by his feats on the field. I recall one back in his rookie year when he caught a bomb to beat somebody in the final minutes or maybe in OT. Was it the Chargers? Since then?
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Old 01-30-2005, 01:26 PM   #13
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Maybe the Redskins can trade Gardner for a solid Center. I am wondering if the Skins will try to develop Royal at the tight end position or if they'll aggressively go after someone else and let him go?

The only thing with our receivers: I still think we need a fast receiver that has good hands and can get open downfield. Jacobbs might be that guy...I don't know....
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Old 01-30-2005, 01:57 PM   #14
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The asking price is a 2nd rounder, that's a good starting point, but I'm sure they'll settle for a 3rd if it comes down to it.
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Old 01-30-2005, 02:08 PM   #15
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im hoping 2nd but i do think it will be a 3rd. and that isnt to bad, im thinking jason brown from UNC will be on the board. he's a center for the tarheels and rated very high in that position for the draft, some even have him #1 overall center. im hoping if we do get a 3rd for gardner that jason brown will be available for that pick we recieve
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