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View Poll Results: Who Do You Think Will Be Our Next Starting QB
Bradford 13 8.72%
Cousins 2 1.34%
Flynn 6 4.03%
Foles 5 3.36%
Griffin 49 32.89%
Hoyer 3 2.01%
Luck 15 10.07%
Manning 17 11.41%
McCoy 1 0.67%
Orton 2 1.34%
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Old 01-26-2012, 02:33 PM   #121
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Were the Giants stupid for what they gave up for Eli?
It doesnt look like they were but thats because we have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.

Would you say the Redskins were stupid for what they gave up for Jason Campbell? I would say they were.

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Old 01-26-2012, 03:11 PM   #122
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Isn't Luck originally from the DC/Maryland area.
Yes he is.
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I'll probably regret asking, but a SB win, quite possibly two, is not enough of a payoff to justify the trade, or at the least enough to not call it stupid?
I didn't think the trade was stupid then and I don't think it is now.
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It doesnt look like they were but thats because we have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.

Would you say the Redskins were stupid for what they gave up for Jason Campbell? I would say they were.
How about Elway?
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I'll probably regret asking, but a SB win, quite possibly two, is not enough of a payoff to justify the trade, or at the least enough to not call it stupid?
It's easy to connect one event with the other, but they have pretty much nothing to do with each other.

New York could have had any of these quarterbacks with the picks they put in the Eli Manning deal:

Ben Roethlisberger
Philip Rivers
Aaron Rodgers

Where does Manning rank on that list? Third? Fourth?

They weren't supposed to know that they were trading so much draft value for a top QB in a year where there were plenty of them available, but if you're going to ask me to credit them for pulling the trigger when history has proven that move (at best) unnecessary, well, I think that it's still pretty clear and obvious that San Diego fleeced them.
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It's easy to connect one event with the other, but they have pretty much nothing to do with each other.

New York could have had any of these quarterbacks with the picks they put in the Eli Manning deal:

Ben Roethlisberger
Philip Rivers
Aaron Rodgers

Where does Manning rank on that list? Third? Fourth?

They weren't supposed to know that they were trading so much draft value for a top QB in a year where there were plenty of them available, but if you're going to ask me to credit them for pulling the trigger when history has proven that move (at best) unnecessary, well, I think that it's still pretty clear and obvious that San Diego fleeced them.
On that list I rank Eli second.
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Understood. Which is why I'd question why the Giants would still be considered stupid for giving up a king's ransom for Eli, since Eli has given them two Super Bowl berths, one win and another one yet to be decided. I mean, the main thing is winning championships right?
The main thing in evaluating a trade is winning championships? If you say so.
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On that list I rank Eli second.
Behind Rodgers?
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How about Elway?
Denver didnt really give up anything for Elway. Two nobody players and a pick. That was the steal of the century.
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The main thing in evaluating a trade is winning championships? If you say so.
I'd think that plays a big part in the argument. If you give up a lot of high picks for a quarterback, I think an adequate return on investment would be at least a decade of quarterback stability and recurring trips to the playoffs, as well as 2+ SB trips. Eli has mostly given them that. Now, granted, he hasn't played at an elite level all these years, but he has played like an elite qb this year and this is his second trip to the SB. I don't think he's HOF worthy but I'd say his return on investment has been worth it.
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Behind Rodgers?
Behind a healthy Roethlisberger. Rodgers is a slight 3rd behind Manning.
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Behind a healthy Roethlisberger. Rodgers is a slight 3rd behind Manning.
Hhm. Reverse your list, then flip Rodgers and Rivers, and that's mine. Right now at least.
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Giving up picks to draft any QB is just plain stupid.
Really? The Giants disagree.
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Hhm. Reverse your list, then flip Rodgers and Rivers, and that's mine. Right now at least.
Fair enough, of course you can't go wrong with any, but these aren't the top 3 qbs in the league either.
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I'd think that plays a big part in the argument. If you give up a lot of high picks for a quarterback, I think an adequate return on investment would be at least a decade of quarterback stability and recurring trips to the playoffs, as well as 2+ SB trips. Eli has mostly given them that. Now, granted, he hasn't played at an elite level all these years, but he has played like an elite qb this year and this is his second trip to the SB. I don't think he's HOF worthy but I'd say his return on investment has been worth it.
Well, I think that's an adequate answer to the question "Eli Manning as Giants QB: success or failure?"

And I wouldn't argue otherwise. But what I am saying is if you're going to try to support the idea that trading up for a quarterback can be smart (which I think is sometimes the case, othertimes not), the 2004 SD-NYG trade is not a good example. That was a pretty decisive San Diego win. And you don't really have to look too much further past the career paths of Manning/Rivers/Roethlisberger to prove that.

The truth is that a lot of times, trading up into the top ten for a quarterback hasn't worked. It didn't make Mark Sanchez a better player, it didn't really work for the Falcons with Vick, and the Jags trade to land Gabbert looks questionable at this point.

On the other hand, Shanahan's move to get Cutler in the 2006 draft still looks pretty good right now. That wasn't the top ten, but it was the 11th pick. I think it can work if you play the market right. But if you're grading the Giants trade for Manning, it's tough to argue that they played the market right. They payed a ransom for the second or third best QB in the 2004 draft.
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