I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense)

skinsfaninok · 01-30-2012, 09:52 AM

The rams aren't giving Sam up it's why Fisher took that job

SBXVII · 01-30-2012, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

1. Bradford was shanahans pick a few years ago, but we didn't have any ammo to move up to get him. A lot of people believe that Bradford hasn't had a good supporting cast in St. Louis. He showed lots of promise his rookie year, then fell off this year. A two year guy who played with an injury depleted team. His WR's had lots of drops, ran wrong routes, and had balls bounce off their hands and cause picks. When you had the OL and WR's that Bradford had, and Steven Jackson is hurt, you got to make plays and in his case, force things.

2. Our system QB requires a guy who is able to bootleg well. Yes Luck is the better QB, but RG3 is more athletic, and is just as accurate. The only major difference between the 2 is the spread offense griffin was in and the pro style offense luck was in. We have been linked to RG3 and he would fit our system.

3. How do you know Kyle Shanahan likes him? I'm sure publicly Kyle like all the South QB's he had.

1- I agree he didn't have an excellent supporting cast, but the problem is we kinda are in the same situation. The same reason I don't want Sanchez is the same reason I don't want Bradford, could they have hit their peak? are they damaged goods? will they be any better in this system or more of the same?

2- I'd almost rather have the kid on the North team who had to make some thing out of the bad snaps. He showed he could roll out and if had to run for the yardage. Taking RGIII to me would be like purchasing a race horse and binding one leg and using him for jumping instead of running races. If this team is not going to use RGIII as a race horse or for his skills then we are just hindering ourselves and should look into a different QB.

3- There are rumors that they met alone and worked on specific things like footwork, throwing motion, and god knows what else. Why wouldn't KS bring the other South QB's along especially since Foles needs footwork help? Otherwise I have no answer.

But if there is no other option then I'd say lets get Weeden for now and Foles if possible for future development.

freddyg12 · 01-30-2012, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by redskin29633

With our roster structure being the way it is, we can't afford to do that. One of our QB's will be a FA signing.

Sure we could, I think it's quite probable that an early picked is used on presumed starter to be, Rex is re-signed for a couple of years as the vet backup/compete for starting, and a mid to late round pick is used on a qb to groom as a backup.

SmootSmack · 01-30-2012, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

The rams aren't giving Sam up it's why Fisher took that job

Bradford will be tough to acquire for sure. In fact, I think Luck would be easier to acquire.

But I still think we'll end up falling short of getting either.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 01-30-2012, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by freddyg12

Sure we could, I think it's quite probable that an early picked is used on presumed starter to be, Rex is re-signed for a couple of years as the vet backup/compete for starting, and a mid to late round pick is used on a qb to groom as a backup.

No to Grossman. I don't even want him at FedEx field, let alone actually dressing for the game.

SmootSmack · 01-30-2012, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

No to Grossman. I don't even want him at FedEx field, let alone actually dressing for the game.

For the longest time I thought Grossman was pretty much a lock to return. In recent days though, I've gotten the impression they are ready to move on. Or at least let him test the market before making any decision.

In somewhat related news, new mock draft from National Football Post

Mock Draft: Version 2.0 | National Football Post

I still am not so sure they're going to trade up for RG3. But I know I'm in the minority on that

freddyg12 · 01-30-2012, 11:29 AM

I am no fan of Rexy, but I'm just thinking realistically about it, he's been here a couple years, knows the O well & shouldn't cost much. Of course if he gets a good deal elsewhere I'd be stunned if Allen got into any bidding war, they'd let him walk.

I wouldn't be hurt if he left w/out so much as an offer, but I wouldn't be upset if he were the backup.

Mattyk · 01-30-2012, 11:31 AM

I think it's time to start fresh and move on from Rex, even as a backup.

Alvin Walton · 01-30-2012, 11:37 AM

I agree, our QB stable is quite stale. I'd like to have three new names after the draft. (UDFA's)

NYCskinfan82 · 01-30-2012, 12:35 PM

There comes a time when you need NEW QB's, that way the OLD QB's cant teach the NEW QB's bad habits, and that time might be now IMO.

skinsguy · 01-30-2012, 12:52 PM

I think it's very possible the Colts surprise everybody by trading out of the #1 overall pick, pick up more draft picks, and grab someone like Orton. They have already gutted that whole franchise, so they know it's not going to be an overnight situation. They might be willing to grab a developmental QB in this draft, or maybe even wait until next year to grab a guy like Barkley - or both. So, I don't think it's a lock on Luck to the Colts at all. As matter of fact, this sounds more logical to me than the Colts simply drafting Andrew Luck at #1.

If that actually transpires, then I can see the possibilities of the Redskins doing one of two things - trading up to #2 to draft Andrew Luck, or trading the #6 for Sam Bradford. It all comes down to which one is more valuable - Luck or Bradford? And also the "new coach" factor. Did Coach Fisher decide to go to the Rams simply because Sam Bradford is already there, or did he go to the Rams because he knows there's a legitimate chance at dealing Sam Bradford away for Andrew Luck? I tend to think the latter. If the Rams can't get Luck or either get offered a better deal by keeping Sam Bradford, then Fisher still has a solid starting QB. So, either way, the Rams win. The Colts still win, because there's no way they're rebuilding that team within one year. But, their rebuild will be accelerated by grabbing more draft picks this year and next.

Yes, the more I'm thinking about this (and I apologize if I'm repeating anybody here) the more I'm thinking these rumors make more sense than what is floating around in the public media. All of us who say we're more realistic and level headed aren't seeing the fact that Mike Shanahan HAS to have a franchise quarterback this year or he's probably gone. Trading down to pick up a developmental guy or a guy that probably isn't ready to start in the NFL is taking a HUGE chance. If this was year one in Washington, that would be the best option. But, this is year three for Shanahan. He HAS to pull the trigger on getting HIS guy now. I think the Redskins have JUST ENOUGH on offense to make this work well enough for this year.

12thMan · 01-30-2012, 01:16 PM

With Peyton Manning on his way out the door it really makes no sense for the Colts NOT to draft Andrew Luck with the number one pick. That is if they really believe that Luck is a once in a generation quarterback who could put the Colts back on a trajectory of becoming a winning franchise again.

The possibility of Manning not playing for Colts next season (if that indeed happens), I think, is probably Irsay's way of nudging him into retirement out of a genuine concern for his health -- probably moreso than his perceived inability to co-exist with Andrew Luck.

Lotus · 01-30-2012, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

I agree, our QB stable is quite stale. I'd like to have three new names after the draft. (UDFA's)

If our QB's are getting stale then we should quickly put them in the freezer with the dolls.

Alvin Walton · 01-30-2012, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

If our QB's are getting stale then we should quickly put them in the freezer with the dolls.

SkinzWin · 01-30-2012, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

The rams aren't giving Sam up it's why Fisher took that job

Fisher took the job because he has the keys to the city with personnel moves. He did not in Miami. He would have to answer to Jeff Ireland. Having a stable QB is just a plus. He could easily trade him, get draft picks and draft RG3 as his replacement.

01-30-2012, 09:52 AM	#226
skinsfaninok Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Norman, OK Age: 26 Posts: 12,981	The rams aren't giving Sam up it's why Fisher took that job __________________ Robert Griffin III "if you're good at something, never do it for free"- The Joker

01-30-2012, 11:29 AM	#232
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense) I am no fan of Rexy, but I'm just thinking realistically about it, he's been here a couple years, knows the O well & shouldn't cost much. Of course if he gets a good deal elsewhere I'd be stunned if Allen got into any bidding war, they'd let him walk. I wouldn't be hurt if he left w/out so much as an offer, but I wouldn't be upset if he were the backup.

01-30-2012, 11:31 AM	#233
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,656	Re: I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense) I think it's time to start fresh and move on from Rex, even as a backup. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

01-30-2012, 11:37 AM	#234
Alvin Walton Playmaker Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Holland, Michigan Posts: 3,853	Re: I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense) I agree, our QB stable is quite stale. I'd like to have three new names after the draft. (UDFA's) __________________ REDSKINS FAN SINCE 1968 CHARTER MEMEBER OF THE DALLAS SWEEPERS CLUB

01-30-2012, 12:35 PM	#235
NYCskinfan82 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Queens, NYC Age: 43 Posts: 2,975	Re: I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense) There comes a time when you need NEW QB's, that way the OLD QB's cant teach the NEW QB's bad habits, and that time might be now IMO.

01-30-2012, 12:52 PM	#236
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 5,999	Re: I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense) I think it's very possible the Colts surprise everybody by trading out of the #1 overall pick, pick up more draft picks, and grab someone like Orton. They have already gutted that whole franchise, so they know it's not going to be an overnight situation. They might be willing to grab a developmental QB in this draft, or maybe even wait until next year to grab a guy like Barkley - or both. So, I don't think it's a lock on Luck to the Colts at all. As matter of fact, this sounds more logical to me than the Colts simply drafting Andrew Luck at #1. If that actually transpires, then I can see the possibilities of the Redskins doing one of two things - trading up to #2 to draft Andrew Luck, or trading the #6 for Sam Bradford. It all comes down to which one is more valuable - Luck or Bradford? And also the "new coach" factor. Did Coach Fisher decide to go to the Rams simply because Sam Bradford is already there, or did he go to the Rams because he knows there's a legitimate chance at dealing Sam Bradford away for Andrew Luck? I tend to think the latter. If the Rams can't get Luck or either get offered a better deal by keeping Sam Bradford, then Fisher still has a solid starting QB. So, either way, the Rams win. The Colts still win, because there's no way they're rebuilding that team within one year. But, their rebuild will be accelerated by grabbing more draft picks this year and next. Yes, the more I'm thinking about this (and I apologize if I'm repeating anybody here) the more I'm thinking these rumors make more sense than what is floating around in the public media. All of us who say we're more realistic and level headed aren't seeing the fact that Mike Shanahan HAS to have a franchise quarterback this year or he's probably gone. Trading down to pick up a developmental guy or a guy that probably isn't ready to start in the NFL is taking a HUGE chance. If this was year one in Washington, that would be the best option. But, this is year three for Shanahan. He HAS to pull the trigger on getting HIS guy now. I think the Redskins have JUST ENOUGH on offense to make this work well enough for this year. __________________ Not the same Skinsguy that posts on ES.

01-30-2012, 01:16 PM	#237
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,363	Re: I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense) With Peyton Manning on his way out the door it really makes no sense for the Colts NOT to draft Andrew Luck with the number one pick. That is if they really believe that Luck is a once in a generation quarterback who could put the Colts back on a trajectory of becoming a winning franchise again. The possibility of Manning not playing for Colts next season (if that indeed happens), I think, is probably Irsay's way of nudging him into retirement out of a genuine concern for his health -- probably moreso than his perceived inability to co-exist with Andrew Luck.

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